There is absolutely no chance of Saints finishing mid-table in 2011.

Making the jump from a friendly defeat against a strong side (with another SL friendly under their belt and a full side without experimentation, whilst we chop and change our backs throughout) and finishing mid-table is daft, but very much in keeping with your usual spoutings.

The Giants players that played last night have only played in 2 of the 4 freindlies just like the Saints boys
so the above poster can not make that an excuse,the sooner people realise that the Giants are real force and stop making excuses when there team beat.

you've got to remember he thought we'd finish behind wakefield last year, so this is a marked improvement!

They'd played a full match against a SL side, we played half a game against a Championship club.

If we were going into every match in 2011 with the intention of swapping around centres, stand offs and 7s throughout the match, I might read something into the result.

wrong again, we played the first team for 40 mins v hull kr. then lots of changes for the 2nd half

wheeler looked a very good player for you lot lastnight

giants looked very good everywhere

it was only a friendly but i know which camp id rather be with at the moment.

poor crowd lastnight , i know it was a monday night but 1200

Raleigh/Griffin/Patrick had certainly played in at least 2 games against SL opposition before taking on Saints, and most of your side had played in at least one game against SL opposition before taking on Saints.

We'd played 0 minutes against SL opposition and were chopping and changing our team.

Read as much into it as you like, fact is it was a friendly and the result is irrelevant.

You know which camp you'd rather be in? I'd rather be in the camp that hasn't finished outside the top2 for years, has made 5 GF on the spin and which knocked your side out of the play-offs without both our first choice halves, ta very much.

raleigh didnt play lastnight.

yeh result irrelevant but result will have done wonders for confidence going into the new season.

looking good

Read it. I said 'the start' of a mid-table run. I think it'll take a bit of time to adapt to Simmons different approach and also to Cunningham's departure.

You have to factor in the possibility of Kyle Eastmond, Leon Pryce and James Graham being in their last season at Saints. I've heard the rumours of a new deal for Jammer, but the other two look very much like they will be leaving. I don't think any of the other young players at the club in that position are worthy of a starting place at 6 or 7 if we're planning on being competitive.

Why are you assuming that if Kyle and Pryce leave next year we won't be signing anyone to replace them?

Saints won't be finishing outside the top four any time soon, don't fret.

You want a bet on that?

If you finish in the top 4 i'll have a saints badge on here all next season below 4 you have a wigan badge all next seaon?

So who's going to finish above us?

I know you've won the Grand Final, but alot of Wiganers have got very cocky recently. One Wiganer I know has predicted Wigan to win the WCC and Grand Final easily and another has tipped Wigan to beat us by 40 in Cardiff.

Some one take this!!!!

Who is going to be above saints.

In fact add in that if Saints win the league leaders he has to wear a saints shirt to a ultras meeting or something.

But he is an exception, check the WCC thread on the Wigan board. The majority of Wigan fans are not cocky at all, but do expect Wigan to be top four and putting in a decent challenge.

so that's two then? granted you will find more, but alot?, i don't think so.