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Quote: LovesToSpooge "I don't see why Saint's players losing weight during preseason should be considered a good thing. When Maguire joined Wigan he stated that our players weren't big enough or fast enough for his liking, so he went about increasing both. Now for the Saints fans out there who think their players are to big, I never noticed that they ever looked physically bigger than their opposition, certainly not when playing Wigan this year. If anything it was slightly the other way around.

I think the key is, or certainly has been at Wigan is tailoring training around individuals rather than as a collective group. We all have our strength and weaknesses, so by tailoring training around that to overcome the varying deficiencies within a group of players. For example you can't artificially manufacture pace. If player hasn't got any to begin with their unlikely to develop much more through training. All you can do is make sure that they perform somewhere close to their potential.

We were lucky at Wigan that Maguire's earliest background is in fitness and conditioning, so that coupled with Mark Bitcon who we recruited at the start of 2010 has given us a real boost. I haven't heard anything about Saint's recruiting a new head of strength and conditioning, so I'm guessing you'll be going with the same guy you've had since Apollo left. Which leaves me wondering whether Royce has a background similar to Madge in fitness and conditioning?

If I were part of the Saints coaching setup my number one aim however would be to eliminate the amount of injury's that players seem to suffer at the club. All clubs from time to time go through a bad patch injury wise, but Saints over these last few years have really been hit hard by it. Making me thing it's more than just bad luck.'"


Your point on injuries is a good one, but on your point about size, we were the wrong type of big last season. It was the most immobile Saints' side I have ever seen.

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Quote: Don Brennan "Is there a single topic this guy doesn't troll on?'"


So you don't think Wigan made Wheeler an offer which Saints bettered.

Like you thought I was trolling when I told you that Saints had signed Perry, LMS and Shenton, well before those signings were confirmed.

Oh and when I said that Meninga would not come to Saints, but Simmons would be your new coach.

Or as a few on here will tell you that I informed them that Soliola had signed for Saints well before it was announced.

If that's trolling, then yes I suppose I am.

Whenever you post anything constructive about RL. I'll take notice.

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I agree with Don

what about the time you told us KC had played on a year too long

Or that EVERY saints player is a closet wigan supporter

sick and tired or reading your version of the truth on EVERY thread - post on the wigan board for a change.

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Quote: steve "I agree with Don

what about the time you told us KC had played on a year too long

Or that EVERY saints player is a closet wigan supporter

sick and tired or reading your version of the truth on EVERY thread - post on the wigan board for a change.'"



I do think KC played year maybe two to long. (my opinion)
Eastmond and Dean were Wigan supporters, ask them.

If your sick and tired then don't read them or comment.

I was correct about, LMS, Meninga, Perry, Simmons and Soliola.
Wigan pulled out of the Shenton auction.

Wigan put an offer to Wheeler (why I don't understand but that's just my opinion) which Saints bettered.

All that is true, if you don't want to believe it then don't.
Or maybe I just guessed right (I'll check my lottery numbers tonight)

Thank god there are some supporters on here with whom a decent RL discussion is possible, and a bit of banter.

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[quote='Fishsta"']I've always thought of McGuire as a good player, and I wouldn't normally wish injury on any player, but there was a certain hint of poetic justice to that. [/quote] Another classic: [quote='Fishsta']You forgot to take off the "Saints Reduction Factor" when calculating the ban. Standard suspension / Saints Reduction Factor = Actual ban for Saints player. Therefore (2 / 3) = 0.666 0.666 < 1 therefore actual ban equals "less than 1 match". Therefore ZERO.[/quote] Give the girl her dummy back.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_18821.jpg



Quote: Rogues Gallery "I do think KC played year maybe two to long. (my opinion)
Eastmond and Dean were Wigan supporters, ask them.

Is that the Eastmond thats now playing for Sale?

If your sick and tired then don't read them or comment.
No choice you troll every topic

I was correct about, LMS, Meninga, Perry, Simmons and Soliola.
LMS,Shenton and Perry were common knowledge long before you chimed up.
Wigan pulled out of the Shenton auction.
So you say

Wigan put an offer to Wheeler (why I don't understand but that's just my opinion) which Saints bettered.

All that is true, if you don't want to believe it then don't.
Or maybe I just guessed right (I'll check my lottery numbers tonight)

Thank god there are some supporters on here with whom a decent RL discussion is possible, and a bit of banter.
I agree It negates your input'"


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I never said Eastmond had signed for Sale.

The Shenton, LMS and Perry signings were not public knowledge when I posted.

Feel free to go back through my posts to prove me wrong.

To help you on the Eastmond to Sale one it was late July early August 2009.

Keep me posted. icon_biggrin.gif

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[quote='Fishsta"']I've always thought of McGuire as a good player, and I wouldn't normally wish injury on any player, but there was a certain hint of poetic justice to that. [/quote] Another classic: [quote='Fishsta']You forgot to take off the "Saints Reduction Factor" when calculating the ban. Standard suspension / Saints Reduction Factor = Actual ban for Saints player. Therefore (2 / 3) = 0.666 0.666 < 1 therefore actual ban equals "less than 1 match". Therefore ZERO.[/quote] Give the girl her dummy back.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_18821.jpg



Quote: Rogues Gallery "I never said Eastmond had signed for Sale.

The Shenton, LMS and Perry signings were not public knowledge when I posted.

Feel free to go back through my posts to prove me wrong.

To help you on the Eastmond to Sale one it was late July early August 2009.

Keep me posted.

Ok but only If you hold your breath until I get back to you.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "I do think KC played year maybe two to long. (my opinion)
Eastmond and Dean were Wigan supporters, ask them.

If your sick and tired then don't read them or comment.

I was correct about, LMS, Meninga, Perry, Simmons and Soliola.
Wigan pulled out of the Shenton auction.

Wigan put an offer to Wheeler (why I don't understand but that's just my opinion) which Saints bettered.

All that is true, if you don't want to believe it then don't.
Or maybe I just guessed right (I'll check my lottery numbers tonight)

Thank god there are some supporters on here with whom a decent RL discussion is possible, and a bit of banter.'"


BUT we KNOW your opinion - every wigan player is better than a saints player - quite why we bother sometimes is beyond me!

As for not reading your comments - its impossible you post on every thread, and if anyone disagrees with you it's your opinion - well I repeat go and post some opinion on the wigan board. Although I dont suppose eulogising about super sam has the same impact when everyone agrees.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "So you don't think Wigan made Wheeler an offer which Saints bettered.'"

Who gives a rat's backside?

Quote: Rogues Gallery "Like you thought I was trolling when I told you that Saints had signed Perry, LMS and Shenton, well before those signings were confirmed.'"

Who gives a rat's backside?

Quote: Rogues Gallery "Oh and when I said that Meninga would not come to Saints, but Simmons would be your new coach.'"

Who gives a rat's backside?

Quote: Rogues Gallery "Or as a few on here will tell you that I informed them that Soliola had signed for Saints well before it was announced.'"

Who gives a rat's backside?

Quote: Rogues Gallery "If that's trolling, then yes I suppose I am.'"

Yes you are, you sad old man.

Quote: Rogues Gallery "Whenever you post anything constructive about RL. I'll take notice.'"

Some of us don't want you to take notice. Some of us want you to go and post on the Wigan board.

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Quote: SaintsFan "Who gives a rat's backside?

Who gives a rat's backside?

Who gives a rat's backside?

Who gives a rat's backside?

Yes you are, you sad old man.

Some of us don't want you to take notice. Some of us want you to go and post on the Wigan board.'"



The MAJORITY of my posts are on the Wigan board, thank you.
And I have many good discussions on there. It may surprise you to know that there are some who have different views. icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm not a sad old man, age is only in the mind and I'm quite happy especially after the 2010 season.

You are correct in that some of you don't want to take notice.
"There are none so blind as those that will not see" comes to mind.

Have a fun season. icon_biggrin.gif
You've addressed one problem (an ageing squad) which I had warned you about. Luckily they have have been replaced with mediocrity.

I have never had a problem with anyone disagreeing with me, or providing a reasoned argument. Free speech should be encouraged (who gives a rats backside is a failed response)

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Haha everybody knew Shenton, LMS and Perry had signed it was already in the press for about 6 months. I also remember you saying Meninga wouldent coach us but nothing about Simmonds.

F**k off back to your own board and watch the mighty S dominate this season.

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Quote: Speed Merchant "Haha everybody knew Shenton, LMS and Perry had signed it was already in the press for about 6 months. I also remember you saying Meninga wouldent coach us but nothing about Simmonds.

F**k off back to your own board and watch the mighty S dominate this season.'"

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Serious question for you.
Did Nathan Ashe get a first team squad number for this season?
Do you see him as the eventual replacement for Wellens, or would Lomax or even Gaskell be better suited.

From the limited number of times I have seen Ashe play, he looks a good athlete with plenty of pace, but his decision making (when to pass,and when to hold on) has been poor.

I've always liked Gaskell, but am unsure of his best position, as I have seen him play fullback, centre, stand off and scrum half.

Lomax is another talented player, but his injury record would always be a concern.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery ""There are none so blind as those that will not see" comes to mind.

'"


Or as Blind as those that won't listen! icon_wink.gif

I often at times like this think back to the Gold Coast in 2008 with JLM23 and a couple of other Saints Supporters.
JLM23 agreed that Saints had some worrying times ahead due to Ageing Squad, loss of Key players, Focus on New Stadium and how that affects player recruitment etc whilst the other 2 (1 inparticular) was Blind to it all and every time the word Wigan came into conversation Frothed at the Mouth and went into a Blind Rant!

I think JLM23 will back up that my Last Comment was actually made and isn't a figment of some Hindsight imagination.

"Give it 18 months 2 years and Wigan will be back at the Top of RL!" JLM23 listened, The others didn't.

PS
He knew about Simmons 3 months before it was officially announced, I've seen the email that told him from Down Under (and subsequent ones!).

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Quote: Jukesays "Or as Blind as those that won't listen!
You were also there when we were told about Wigans approach for Wheeler, same day as the Maguire announcement as Wigan coach press conference.

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[quote='Fishsta"']I've always thought of McGuire as a good player, and I wouldn't normally wish injury on any player, but there was a certain hint of poetic justice to that. [/quote] Another classic: [quote='Fishsta']You forgot to take off the "Saints Reduction Factor" when calculating the ban. Standard suspension / Saints Reduction Factor = Actual ban for Saints player. Therefore (2 / 3) = 0.666 0.666 < 1 therefore actual ban equals "less than 1 match". Therefore ZERO.[/quote] Give the girl her dummy back.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_18821.jpg



Quote: Rogues Gallery "You were also there when we were told about Wigans approach for Wheeler, same day as the Maguire announcement as Wigan coach press conference.'"





Of course he was icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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