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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "Superb is over doing it a bit?.....I actually thought it was a very efficient display against an opposition who failed to get to grips with the conditions....It was almost like Mick Potter ordered that downpour... but for Wire, hopefully, it is a chance to iron things out before we get to the nitty-gritty of the play offs, which, for the top4, starts next week.'"
I thought it started this week?
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| Quote: Rob Wire "Hats off to saints, your weakened team stood up to the test and handled the conditions far better than we did. Your game plan was far better, you kept it simple and ran out worthy winners.
I made a point on our forum that the team that wins the grand final isn't always the team that plays the best RL throughout the season, this time of year when the play-offs come around is notorious for poor weather so any potential grand final winner needs to have a plan A and plan B, your true test will come in dry conditions against the top sides that like to play and move the ball quickly as you have a few players that have slowed down over the years.
Anyway. congrats on the win it was well deserved.'"
Cheers mate and your comments are spot on.
For the first time in a few years Saints played the conditions brilliant last night but if I was a Wire fan I would be a bit worried about this cause the conditions at this time of year has been Saints achilles heel in the past.
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| Quote: Jukesays "
For Sky, it started this week definitely, but for the top 4 you have the stupid situation where last night's game and Wigan's game tomorrow with Leeds could prove to be totally irrelevent in the outcome of the title.
I honestly believe that for Tony Smith the play offs start next week.... I cannot truly accept that last night's toothless display is the best that this Wire team came muster, and whilst it is far fetched to suggest that Wire eased off last night, I would certainly suggest that Smith will not be worrying one bit about the result.
Similarly, I don't think Saints were anywhere near their best last night....The game itself, when you strip away the hype and the athmosphere, was a pretty lacklustre affair, with neither side playing to their full potential...Saints just adapted to the conditions a lot better and the result highlights this completely.
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| Won fair and square but with a whole lot of luck.
If I were a wires fan, wouldn't be too despondent. Only lost by 4 trys to 3, despite practically begging saints to win. It wasn't Potters or Smiths superior/inferior tactics that won/lost this game it was the fact that Briers (espc) and Monaghan played poo. Thought Wellens was crucial and in Matty Smith, you had a good hungry player with something to prove. And that bl**dy Cunningham, I wouldn't like to be in front of him in a post office queue, how many times has he scored trys like that?
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| If i was a Wire fan i'd be more worried about how tired they looked last night. We've seen it happen with Saints, backing up in the playoffs after winning the cup is just so difficult these days.
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| Quote: Hitchen "If i was a Wire fan i'd be more worried about how tired they looked last night. '"
You seriously think they looked tired????...
To be honest, I think they were just outplayed by a side who were more hungry for the win.....If they were really tired they wouldn't have restricted Saints to just 4 tries.
What you actually saw was a prime example of how important a dominant pack is in Rugby League...Think back to Wembley and how great a player Briers looked behind a rampant Wire pack and then look at Briers last night behind a pack going nowhere. Similarly, Matty Smith looked a half decent player and gained a lot of plaudits (slightly overdone on Sky, mind you), playing behind Graham & co.
You can build up individuals all you like, but having a good, strong pack is still, and always will be, the major recipe for Rugby League success.
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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "You can build up individuals all you like, but having a good, strong pack is still, and always will be, the major recipe for Rugby League success.'"
And you can do down halfbacks but it wouldn't matter how dominant your pack was, if there was no-one to organise and trigger the attack, it would just be a lot of bluster.
The key to a good game of rugby league is to have the whole team playing in a cohesive way and for mine last night was the first time this season that I have seen Saints playing such a dominant role in a match and in such a controlled way. I put that down to Matty Smith. The pack allowed him to do his job, but he still did his job. And also, our back three of Wello, Gardner and Foster were fantastic at rescuing us from dodgy situations at various points. The only player for me who did not pull his weight was Meli.
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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "For Sky, it started this week definitely, but for the top 4 you have the stupid situation where last night's game and Wigan's game tomorrow with Leeds could prove to be totally irrelevent in the outcome of the title.
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So home advantage isn't significant in an elimination semi final?
Looking at your fans and players last night, it didn't seem to be an irrelevant fixture to the vast majority of them.
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| Quote: Cragganmore Kid "So home advantage isn't significant in an elimination semi final?
Looking at your fans and players last night, it didn't seem to be an irrelevant fixture to the vast majority of them.'"
The whole system is just designed to give Sky more matches for their schedules.
I personally believe it would be better to go with an elimination contest straight from the off, preferably in an old-style Premiership method of 1 v 8, 2 v 7, etc, thus cutting out this ridiculous situation where we could easily see a repeat of this weekend's fixtures in a fortnight's time.
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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "The whole system is just designed to give Sky more matches for their schedules.
I personally believe it would be better to go with an elimination contest straight from the off, preferably in an old-style Premiership method of 1 v 8, 2 v 7, etc, thus cutting out this ridiculous situation where we could easily see a repeat of this weekend's fixtures in a fortnight's time.'"
Only problem is that the advantage of how high a team finishes in the regular season would be even less than it is now. I think you have to reward a team better than a sort of cup plays with some slight seeding. At the moment finishing in the top 4 is a major advantage and so it should be.
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| Quote: saint at wire "Only problem is that the advantage of how high a team finishes in the regular season would be even less than it is now. I think you have to reward a team better than a sort of cup plays with some slight seeding. At the moment finishing in the top 4 is a major advantage and so it should be.'"
...The system I mentioned does reward the higher placed side by giving them home advantage??...It also eliminates the possibility of sides meeting more than once and also makes all games knock out matches.
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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "
You guys and Wigan both have a real chance of your season ending next week. Ours cannot.
You both face away games even if you progress.
And you don't think this round has been relevant?
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| Quote: Cragganmore Kid "You guys and Wigan both have a real chance of your season ending next week. Ours cannot.
You both face away games even if you progress.
And you don't think this round has been relevant?
And both sides also have a second bite at the cherry, which some may argue you don't deserve in knock out rugby.
Where would be the justice if Wire were to beat the Giants, then Saints at Knowsley Road??.....Saints would be eliminated after losing just 1 game, Wire would be in the final after losing the same amount??...
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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "And both sides also have a second bite at the cherry, which some may argue you don't deserve in knock out rugby.
Where would be the justice if Wire were to beat the Giants, then Saints at Knowsley Road??.....Saints would be eliminated after losing just 1 game, Wire would be in the final after losing the same amount??...
Exactly the same argument applies with any play off system. A team finishing other than top is likely to have lost less than the rest of the team in the mix.
The play offs aren't knock out rugby. Everyone knows this before a ball is kicked.
However, had Saints lost on Friday we'd not have made the Grand Final. Confidence would be shot, players clearly needing a rest, another 80 mins of bruising play off rugby to play and an away game for the elimination game if we made it there.
Now we have every chance, just a home game to win with a rested squad and hopefully an injured player or two will have recovered enough to throw them into the mix.
Friday was HUGE for us. And I'd wager that, to most connected to the Warrington club, it was pretty big for you too.
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| Quote: Bazzer b cherry and white "i just love seeing the wonky wire lose briers face was a picture
Actually I quite enjoyed a certain team losing on Sunday night, and for the past 24 hours I've been laughing at some of the unfair and disgraceful comments from their fans on various sites.
As to our own performance on Friday, we did look tired, but Saints adapted to the conditions well and were worthy winners. Well done Saints.
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