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| For the people who have never played rugby before or have a very limited knowledge of the game, this isn't cheating, it's perfectly legal if the tackle hasn't been complete. It's a tactic to try and speed up the play the ball or alternatively slow down the defender getting back into position. If he leaves the ruck area quickly enough then the play the ball will speed up for the attacker, if not they will get turned on their back and it will slow down the defender getting back into position.
It's all down to the referee's interpretation of the law and when the trackle is completed but it is a very grey area. If the defender is still involved in the tackle then why shouldnt the attacker be allowed to flip him onto his back?
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| Quote: MDW12 "For the people who have never played rugby before or have a very limited knowledge of the game, this isn't cheating, it's perfectly legal if the tackle hasn't been complete. It's a tactic to try and speed up the play the ball or alternatively slow down the defender getting back into position. If he leaves the ruck area quickly enough then the play the ball will speed up for the attacker, if not they will get turned on their back and it will slow down the defender getting back into position.
It's all down to the referee's interpretation of the law and when the trackle is completed but it is a very grey area. If the defender is still involved in the tackle then why shouldnt the attacker be allowed to flip him onto his back?'"
Yes but its Wigan so its cheating!! Should we manage to keep going and win the Grand Final it wont be counted as we will have cheated all season. So far the only thing thats not classed as cheating is using so many players throughout the season!!
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| Quote: MDW12 "For the people who have never played rugby before or have a very limited knowledge of the game, this isn't cheating, it's perfectly legal if the tackle hasn't been complete. It's a tactic to try and speed up the play the ball or alternatively slow down the defender getting back into position.'"
Trapping a defenders arm in the tackle speeds up the play the ball? The tactic is used to try and earn penalties - nothing more nothing less - whether it is cheating or not. It is the equivalent of diving in football.
Paul Sculthorpe was a master at it. We earned countless penalties from Sculthorpe using his brains and conning the referee, it is a touchy subject which would be applauded in Europe but is not within the mindset of British fair play.
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
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| Let me tell you what actually Wigan were practicing before kick off. As I was there and they were right in front of me I can give a reasoned view.
Three man drill, one with the ball and two tacklers.
Tackler A goes chest high to wrap up the ball, tackler B goes just above the waist. They hold the ball carrier up for around three to four seconds, at which point tackler B slides down the ball carriers legs. The two tacklers then put the ball player on his back, tackler B moves away from the tackle to the B marker position and then tackler A assumes the A marker position.
That was exactly what they were trying to perfect.
I challenge the OP to explain how that is cheating.
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18821_1298880800.jpg [quote='Fishsta"']I've always thought of McGuire as a good player, and I wouldn't normally wish injury on any player, but there was a certain hint of poetic justice to that.
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Another classic:
[quote='Fishsta']You forgot to take off the "Saints Reduction Factor" when calculating the ban.
Standard suspension / Saints Reduction Factor = Actual ban for Saints player.
Therefore (2 / 3) = 0.666
0.666 < 1 therefore actual ban equals "less than 1 match".
Therefore ZERO.[/quote]
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Let me tell you what actually Wigan were practicing before kick off. As I was there and they were right in front of me I can give a reasoned view.
Three man drill, one with the ball and two tacklers.
Tackler A goes chest high to wrap up the ball, tackler B goes just above the waist. They hold the ball carrier up for around three to four seconds, at which point tackler B slides down the ball carriers legs. The two tacklers then put the ball player on his back, tackler B moves away from the tackle to the B marker position and then tackler A assumes the A marker position.
That was exactly what they were trying to perfect.
I challenge the OP to explain how that is cheating.'"
Hey, dont shoot the messenger. I was just repeating what a former international(who was also there) said live on Sky.
He was quite clear about what they'd been practising and It wasn't what you describe.
Perhaps you had one eye shut ![THINK eusa_think.gif](images/smilies//eusa_think.gif)
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
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| Quote: Don Brennan "Hey, dont shoot the messenger. I was just repeating what a former international(who was also there) said live on Sky.
He was quite clear about what they'd been practising and It wasn't what you describe.
Perhaps you had one eye shut
Or perhaps Stevo had a bit more vino at lunchtime?
And that is a lot closer to the truth. ![THINK eusa_think.gif](images/smilies//eusa_think.gif)
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Let me tell you what actually Wigan were practicing before kick off. As I was there and they were right in front of me I can give a reasoned view.
Three man drill, one with the ball and two tacklers.
Tackler A goes chest high to wrap up the ball, tackler B goes just above the waist. They hold the ball carrier up for around three to four seconds, at which point tackler B slides down the ball carriers legs. The two tacklers then put the ball player on his back, tackler B moves away from the tackle to the B marker position and then tackler A assumes the A marker position.
That was exactly what they were trying to perfect.
I challenge the OP to explain how that is cheating.'"
Nice try rougues!
10/10 for a one sided interpretation.
If anyone shares your view of what they were practicing and your explanation; they should go to specsavers.
like your use of "reasoned" view.
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
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| Quote: saint at wire "Nice try rougues!
Were you there?
If not, how can you comment?
If you were then please give us your view as to what was happening during pre-match warm up.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Were you there?
If not, how can you comment?
If you were then please give us your view as to what was happening during pre-match warm up.'"
But Brian, your interpretation just isn't as much fun! You should know by now we don't let the truth get in the way of a good story on here. We're a bit like the tabloids in that respect. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Were you there?
If not, how can you comment?
If you were then please give us your view as to what was happening during pre-match warm up.'"
No I was not there obviously.
Would I believe your interpretation or Stevo's (whom I presume was also there)?
Let me think for 0.0001 of a second.....Stevo!
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
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| Quote: Tony Stark "But Brian, your interpretation just isn't as much fun! You should know by now we don't let the truth get in the way of a good story on here. We're a bit like the tabloids in that respect.
Understood.
Here's the real truth, a tabloid scoop.
Maguire had promised all the Wigan players a night "off the leash" if they won. So before the game they were "practicing their moves!!!!!!!!
The poor ball carrier was obviously "the lady" of later.
Remember what I said "One around the chest, and the other one sliding down the waist area"
Whooo!!!!!!
Does that sound a "better" story? ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote: saint at wire "Nice try rougues!
Sounds like a fair enough explanation to me. It's something my team does every week in the warm up to the game. It's all about being dominant in a tackle, and winning the floor.
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| Quote: handrags "as a so called inbred may i just remind you that to date you ain't won "F" all
and as far as I'm concerned the only reason your top is through blatant cheating tactics .'"
Seriously??
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Great thread.
Oh no wait, just great tactics.
This is not what they were practicing as Rogues explained, but it was quick thinking from Tomkins.
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