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Quote: FearTheVee "Have your say, but throwing around "clueless", "idiot" and "rubbish" at me for expressing an opinion does you no favours.'"

I don't care what your opinion of my posts is. Has that not registered with you yet?

I'm not arguing a point about which I do not have the information to hand.

I would like to know who was first receiver in those games and if it was Kyle, whether he remained in that role for the whole of each match.

I have not said that Kyle hasn't caused damage for us. I have said that I believe he causes damage when allowed to roam free. I believe that's where his skill lies.

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Quote: FearTheVee "I see your point, but if we moved every young half back to another position every time they didn't boss a team in their first game as first choice, we'd never have any half backs.

He can pass, he can kick. He's done it through the youth ranks. His passing and kicking has created tries at international level. He isn't just a runner, no matter what Stevo thinks.

I say leave him at 7 and be patient.'"


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Quote: SaintsFan "Kyle's talent, pace and excellent kicking game are all put to best use when he can move all over the park. I think that is why we saw him at his best during the Grand Final.'"


You think he's at his best when he's free to roam, yet you think he was at his best in the Grand Final when he played centre? Is there a position where he is less able to roam than centre?

On a general point on the thread (so SF doesn't think this is a dig at her as has happened in the past), he has the ability to organise, he just needs the experience. I do agree that he needs another player to take the pressure off him though, preferably at 6, and at the moment Pryce isn't cutting the mustard.

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Quote: Billinge_Lump "You think he's at his best when he's free to roam, yet you think he was at his best in the Grand Final when he played centre? Is there a position where he is less able to roam than centre? '"

You can roam at centre if you want to so long as you don't neglect your duties. He played very well at centre I thought but then he was free to spot opportunities and exploit them (he was the only one capable of it so far as I could see). The point isOn a general point on the thread (so SF doesn't think this is a dig at her as has happened in the past), he has the ability to organise, he just needs the experience. I do agree that he needs another player to take the pressure off him though, preferably at 6, and at the moment Pryce isn't cutting the mustard.'"

Well, while I've yet to be convinced of his ability to organise, I'm just trying to come to terms with you agreeing with me over something.

I'm in shock.

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Quote: Billinge_Lump "On a general point on the thread (so SF doesn't think this is a dig at her as has happened in the past), he has the ability to organise, he just needs the experience. I do agree that he needs another player to take the pressure off him though, preferably at 6, and at the moment Pryce isn't cutting the mustard.'"

I think this is the key point, when longy started properly in the first team he had Tommy god to take alot of the pressure off him, Kyle is getting nothing from Pryce

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Quote: SaintsFan "You can roam at centre if you want to so long as you don't neglect your duties. He played very well at centre I thought but then he was free to spot opportunities and exploit them (he was the only one capable of it so far as I could see). The point is
I thought you are a RL coach? A centre cant "roam" they have to stay in their channel! where was this coaching course of yours?

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Quote: Saint Simon "I thought you are a RL coach? A centre cant "roam" they have to stay in their channel! where was this coaching course of yours?'"

Well, I did say flippantly so long as you don't neglect your duties! I was being silly because I'm weary of having the points I make distorted and picked at unnecessarily.

Billinge Lump knew very well what I meant as was evidenced by what he said next. He also happens to agree with my position: Kyle needs support in the organising of things. Now I am yet to be convinced of Kyle's ability to organise, a view which BL doesn't share with me. But there really was no need to pull apart my statement in the way he did. It's wearying.

PS: RFL level 1. I'm just a baby coach. But I said that when I first mentioned my course.

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Quote: SaintsFan "Well, I did say flippantly so long as you don't neglect your duties! I was being silly because I'm weary of having the points I make distorted and picked at unnecessarily.

Billinge Lump knew very well what I meant as was evidenced by what he said next. He also happens to agree with my position

It's only wearying if you make your points too forcefully. I love your enthusiasm for Saints and love that you're keen to get involved in coaching etc. But I do think you sometimes state things with absolute certainty, sometimes rubbishing other opinions, then refusing to give an inch when someone points out that something may not be quite as clear cut as you believe it to be. If you did, it wouldn't be at all wearying - it would be a conversation.

Anyway, good luck with the courses.

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Quote: SaintsFan "Well, I did say flippantly so long as you don't neglect your duties! I was being silly because I'm weary of having the points I make distorted and picked at unnecessarily.

Billinge Lump knew very well what I meant as was evidenced by what he said next. He also happens to agree with my position
i think what the lump was saying is that he has more space to roam at 7 than a centre, or as saddened says in the initial question much more at fullback than any position, but for me he isnt big enough for full back, can you imagine Ryan hall breaking through with only kyle to runover? it wouldnt be pretty!
We only have to see how he combined with Tompkins in the world cup to see he has the class, but needs his 6 to do something, anything to help him except stand around like a lost soul!

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Quote: FearTheVee "It's only wearying if you make your points too forcefully. .'"

Fair enough. Point taken. I will try to modify the way I express my opinion.

(No sarcasm there incidentally)

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Quote: SaintsFan "Well, I did say flippantly so long as you don't neglect your duties! I was being silly because I'm weary of having the points I make distorted and picked at unnecessarily.'"


Your points aren't distorted and picked at unnecesessarily though. Any inconsistancies are usually in your own posts, like the centre having freedom to roam to any great extent. You might like to think I follow you around to pick on you, but I don't.

Quote: SaintsFan "Billinge Lump knew very well what I meant as was evidenced by what he said next. '"


No I didn't. If I did I wouldn't have picked you up on it. My comments were based on what I believe.

Quote: SaintsFan "He also happens to agree with my position

A view that you are perfectly entitled to and I respect. I don't think he's the finished article and it may turn out that he can't organise a team well enough on his own, but we'll never find out if he doesn't play the position. You may find that we agree on more things than you think, I just don't agree with you on Potter and that's the main topic of conversation at the moment.


You shouldn't contradict yourself within two sentences then. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: SaintsFan "Fair enough. Point taken. I will try to modify the way I express my opinion.

(No sarcasm there incidentally)'"


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Starting to get excited about the weekend now - big game! The Bulls have a good pack so hopefully we can front up and give Kyle the platform he needs - perhaps Leon being back at Odsal will be motivation enough for him to perform.

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Quote: Saint Simon "but for me he isnt big enough for full back, can you imagine Ryan hall breaking through with only kyle to runover? it wouldnt be pretty! '"

I agree. Mind you, the thought of Ryan Hall in any context isn't pretty!!

Quote: Saint Simon "We only have to see how he combined with Tompkins in the world cup to see he has the class, but needs his 6 to do something, anything to help him except stand around like a lost soul!'"

Absolutely.

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Quote: FearTheVee "Have your say, but throwing around "clueless", "idiot" and "rubbish" at me for expressing an opinion does you no favours.

From memory Kyle started 3 games at 7 last year

He played 7 at Bradfut as well and we scored 40+ points as well. The kid is a number 7 and the team should be built around him imo. If anyone needs shifting into the centres or full back for that matter it's Leon 'I've been on vacation since last July' Pryce. Wheeler to be given a run at 6 if Pryce doesn't get his act together sharpish.

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Patience.......Rome wasnt built in a day!!!!!! he has the attributes to make a great scrum half but needs time to perfect them!!!!!!
those who are saying trying him at different posistions dont kno the game that well.......if we start messing Kyle about in different posistions, he may well get fed up and go to the dark side.

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