think you've been living up the hype in warrington saddened.

I was at Wakefield yesterday and for those who like fast open rugby it was exciting and close.
However, IMO it was a poor game, the majority of tries came from penalties conceded by the defending side gifting field position to the opposition. I can't remember one really hard tackle.

However, my son in law plays Union for Leigh and on Saturday they were training at LSV and Wigan were training on the all weather pitch.
He was very complimentary on the physical size and shape that Wigan were in, as he himself is 6 foot 4" and almost 18 stone, so I was interested to hear his observations.
Apparently everything was being done at real pace and with great accuracy.

I'll reserve my judgment on how teams will go until I have seen then in action. I expect us to go o.k. but would just like a player who could provide that killer pass that can win the close games.

a great draw in the cup like warrington we beat kr in the 1/4 final form team wigan in the semi and hudd in the final whom i believe beat you in the other semi so behave yourself

Be honest, how do you think you would have got on had Leeds made the final, or Saints? Cup draws that avoid the two best sides are pretty rare, by default the top 2 usually has at least 1 member in the final.

You also played Featherstione and York when you were up the sh*t creek early doors.

gone into my sig! even with our massive injury crisis and carrying longy when he was pap most of the year we barely missed out on 1st! this year we have an actual centre, and a young star in Kyle. Top 3 minimum for us

hudd beat you,you beat leeds we beat hudd thats the way it goes we were the best team in that particular comp fact

Eastmond is still unproven. The proof of the pudding is now, with Long gone, can Kyle direct the team around the park? I remember an old guy I used to sit near at Saints who said a top quality scrum half could have a major influence on a game without ever touching the ball or making a tackle. Does Kyle have those sort of attributes or is he all about his pace and footwork, which will be closely watched next year?

The internationals thing is all well and good, but how many genuinely top class players do Saints currently have? Wello is a shadow of his former self, same with Leon and even KC. Jammer is our 'best' player, followed probably by Eastmond, which is ridiculous given he's about 15 games into his career.

Losing Hock is a loss no doubt, but we actually picked up some form after the Hock scandal and the Celtic loss last season, he can be a liability as much as a benefit as you probably know

Whatever the reason for the pickup in form, we didnt look as though we missed him a great deal, until maybe the Saints semi where a bit more quality in our 13 could have turned that game IMO

Looking at the squads on paper I think Catalans could easily make the top four aswell as the usual suspects of Leeds Saints Wigan and Warrington, Bradford have no chance theyll be fighting for a place in the 8

Take the bet then!

Me and FearTheVee want to bet you £10 we finish higher than 5th

It's not just the Warrington fans that are hyping up their chances, the players are at it too. Today, Myler has come out, after Atkins a few days ago actually said that they would win the treble. Let them do so while all the other clubs quietly go about their business preparing for the season, I haven't yet seen another club in SL yet to predict and set targets for this year other than the Wire. We shall see.