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Quote: sgtwilko "thought mcguire played well to be honest but he is my favourit player so I am generally bias! .'"

Nah, really?

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Quote: sgtwilko "thought mcguire played well to be honest but he is my favourit player so I am generally bias!

It appears to me that a few have had the knives sharpened since the grand final looking for any scrap to feed on in attemp to get over your club teams latest capitulation. it's a shame we can't debate the international game with an open mind!

I didn't really post during the world cup as I was there having the time of my life so I really missed out on this petty back biting crap! which im more than glad about.'"


No worries.

So which part of McGuire being outshadowed by his half back partner, and also the team carrying Sinfield for his kicking, was i wrong about? ? ?

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[quote="Odemwingie":34o3cs52] I hope his career is over.(regarding danny mcguires injury 2010 play offs)[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Ewwenorfolk":34o3cs52] I'm glad McGuire got injured, hope he's out for about 10 months[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Bulls4Champs2010":34o3cs52]Price, Civ, Beaver, Moz and Wiki. Peacock is not in the catagory of these special players.[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="McLaren_Field":34o3cs52] To be fair, their teams are also inconsequential to their own fans judging by the amount of traffic that all the other boards get [/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Warrington Wolf":34o3cs52]If you win the weekly rounds then without doubt you are the champions.[/quote:34o3cs52]:



Quote: SaintsFan "Nah, really?'"
I see how you ignored the rest of my post! 100% Admition if I ever saw one! Didn't even attemp to denie it!

to be honest I feel sorry for ya

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Quote: SaintsFan "How do you get that exactly? He saved one try and set up another with a beautiful kick. He was only on the pitch 10 minutes!'"


Sorry you missunderstand me - I mean as the 'main' man to lead the team as scrum half.

I would deffo have him playing (at the least on the bench) but I think he is wasted on the wing. I like him coming into the line from full-back but he isn't up to that job positionaly or defencively - in my opinion.

So where?

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[quote="Odemwingie":34o3cs52] I hope his career is over.(regarding danny mcguires injury 2010 play offs)[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Ewwenorfolk":34o3cs52] I'm glad McGuire got injured, hope he's out for about 10 months[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Bulls4Champs2010":34o3cs52]Price, Civ, Beaver, Moz and Wiki. Peacock is not in the catagory of these special players.[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="McLaren_Field":34o3cs52] To be fair, their teams are also inconsequential to their own fans judging by the amount of traffic that all the other boards get [/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Warrington Wolf":34o3cs52]If you win the weekly rounds then without doubt you are the champions.[/quote:34o3cs52]:



Quote: OoOGazOoO "No worries.

So which part of McGuire being outshadowed by his half back partner, and also the team carrying Sinfield for his kicking, was i wrong about? ? ?'"
all of it! even the water boy looked better than myler. you obviously fall into the knife sharpening group

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Quote: sgtwilko "all of it! even the water boy looked better than myler. you obviously fall into the knife sharpening group'"


Lol right oh pal.

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I think the main point is that we didn't peak at all last night, which is good looking towards the games against Aus and NZ. All round we need to be more clinical and i dont think we can judge the team on just one performance. I think we do need time to gel and peak. I thought our forwards looked half decent although sometimes very wasteful. The backs need time and a fair bit of work imo.

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[quote="Odemwingie":34o3cs52] I hope his career is over.(regarding danny mcguires injury 2010 play offs)[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Ewwenorfolk":34o3cs52] I'm glad McGuire got injured, hope he's out for about 10 months[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Bulls4Champs2010":34o3cs52]Price, Civ, Beaver, Moz and Wiki. Peacock is not in the catagory of these special players.[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="McLaren_Field":34o3cs52] To be fair, their teams are also inconsequential to their own fans judging by the amount of traffic that all the other boards get [/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Warrington Wolf":34o3cs52]If you win the weekly rounds then without doubt you are the champions.[/quote:34o3cs52]:



Quote: OoOGazOoO "Lol right oh pal.'"
Your no pal of mine player hater.

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Quote: Mr. Messy "6. Tomkins
7. Myler
9. Roby

14. Eastmond

Sorted! Get them all on... Eastmond needs more game time though, he looked a threat last night but only got 10 or so minutes'"

Alright Wally Lewis calm down. if we played Tomkins and Myler in halfs we would get murdered because between them theyve probably only got about 20 SL games under their belts let alone internationals. Mcguire has proven he is the best stand off we have and always produces in big games! What an un educated comment yours was. You can not put 2 kids in half backs against Lockyer and Thurston.

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Would like to see a Eastmond/Tomkins combination, we are not going to win the competition anyway so why not look to the future and give them the international experience. I would put McQuire out to the centres, he goes quiet when the mid field is tight, still can,t understand why Smith picks Smith, 3 more games and his career in league has gone.

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Quote: Judder Man "Would like to see a Eastmond/Tomkins combination, we are not going to win the competition anyway so why not look to the future and give them the international experience. I would put McQuire out to the centres, he goes quiet when the mid field is tight, still can,t understand why Smith picks Smith, 3 more games and his career in league has gone.'"

yeah i think if Atkins had been fit he might not have but we are really struggling in the centres as imo Shenton is no where near good enough at this standard.

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Quote: cliveandbrenda "Alright Wally Lewis calm down. if we played Tomkins and Myler in halfs we would get murdered because between them theyve probably only got about 20 SL games under their belts let alone internationals. Mcguire has proven he is the best stand off we have and always produces in big games! What an un educated comment yours was. You can not put 2 kids in half backs against Lockyer and Thurston.'"
I take it you don't believe internationals are big games then because he has never produced in an international. Tompkins and eastmond are good enough despite a lack of experience and should be given a chance.

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Quote: WidnesExile "I would deffo have him playing (at the least on the bench) but I think he is wasted on the wing. I like him coming into the line from full-back but he isn't up to that job positionaly or defencively - in my opinion.'"

Same question: how do you come by that opinion? He was only on 10 minutes and in that time he made a cracking try-saving tackle on the line, which has to be the ultimate in defence! I'm just a bit confused as to how you came by your opinion, that's all.

He played at centre in the Grand Final and managed to score all our points. He offers some superb passes and excellent kicks as well as managing to be all over the park both in attack and defence. His pace and zip are good too. So I can only really think of centre and fullback; the latter giving him the most play options.

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Quote: Ashy "I take it you don't believe internationals are big games then because he has never produced in an international. Tompkins and eastmond are good enough despite a lack of experience and should be given a chance.'"


The simple fact is that Eastmond and Tomkins are the 2 best young players we have on current form. Eastmond showed Myler up in just 10 mins last night and Tomkins did the same last week. I rate Myler, but he's seriously out of form. We're going to get mullered anyway so at least give the fans something to get excited about and play the pair of them! They both still have deficiencies in their game but they'll probably also give us a few moments to savour and, who knows, might even give the Aussies something to think about. At least, that's what Lockyer seems to think if his comments re: Tomkins is anything to go by.

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Quote: cliveandbrenda "Alright Wally Lewis calm down. if we played Tomkins and Myler in halfs we would get murdered because between them theyve probably only got about 20 SL games under their belts let alone internationals. Mcguire has proven he is the best stand off we have and always produces in big games! What an un educated comment yours was. You can not put 2 kids in half backs against Lockyer and Thurston.'"


So basically your saying pick on experience not on form if so thats been the problem in the past

Myler and Tomkins are the 2 most exciting and in-form halves we have and your saying they can't play because they have no experience, now thats a stupid comment...

I'm sorry but I saw nothing from McGuire against France to suggest he could pull anything out against a far superior Aussie and Kiwi side!

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