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I posted this back in March, think it still hold true today


I seem to have said this before but here goes ..... Saints are in a transitional phase, one that will see a lot of quality players go, to be replaced by a younger crop, of that I am sure ... as for the coach I feel that Mick Potter is on a hiding to nothing, if we are a success this season he will have done it on the back of Ando's team.... if he fails then it will because we are in transit to a greater success either the way a 2 year contract doesnt leave a lot of room for error and to that end I suspect we will not be as successful as previous seasons. Hopefully I will be proved wrong and therefore will be worthy of the brickbats that will follow ....but ?


Still the play offs to come but really think our season is imploding rather faster than I first thought

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Didn't think he was the right man for the job all along.

Easy to say I know.

The negotiations being drawn out and Potter being
lukewarm in the press. He wanted a job back in Oz
really. It has showed since.

Since arriving he has limited resources admittedly but has failed to
Impress. In the media a real non-entity. No passion , charm
or insight.

The style of play is dour, Saints are the Bulls of the late
nineties without the Beef to real bully sides.

McManus has made many excellent decisions, but
appointing Potter and scrimping on recruitment
have been errors.

He needs to go at the end of the season and
the recruitment strategy needs rethinking.
A punt on some National league players would be
a way to go if cash is that tight.

Entertainment and Pace would be perfectly acceptable
during some trophy less years of transition. Being bored
on and off the pitch is not.

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McManus has made many excellent decisions, but
appointing Potter and scrimping on recruitment
have been errors.

'"


I think he has had to look at the "other side of the coin" by way of the club financial standing and the new stadium. He,s obviously took the risk of youth development for the future, and on paper Mick Potter has the ability to promote this.
He dosn,t come across as a tactical or motive coach, especially with the more senior players, this is not acceptable by the fans but I think McManus has already "cut his cloth" that there might be 1 or 2 lean seasons ahead.
It could be a lot worse we could, playing in a "no mans land" like Wigan and Bradford.

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Ahh Tesco Building St Helens & Warrington's future Destroying Wigans past "Viva Ben Flower, Viva Ben Flower, could have won the cup but you Messed it up Viva Ben Flower":



It's ok getting rid of Potter but who could take over????????????

FWIW i'd get rid of him at the end of the season but can't think of anyone to take over?

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Getting rid of coaches willy nilly doesn't work. Look at Wigan.

One of the players who is leaving has been one of our best players over the last few weeks.

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Most fans on here seem to agree that potter ain't the man for the saints job.

If that's true, who gave him the job?


Why ain't the club signed players on for the last 3 years?


None of that is Potters fault. He got offerd the job by sir mac and he took the job. This ain't like the catalans team that potter had. His teams are big and rough.

Maybe the man who gave potter the job and the man who stopped the club signing players fault.

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Quote: St pete "Maybe the man who gave potter the job and the man who stopped the club signing players fault.'"


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Sack the board!

This forum is a joke at the moment. Can we not wait until the play-offs have finished before we start writing obituaries?

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Quote: St pete "Most fans on here seem to agree that potter ain't the man for the saints job.

If that's true, who gave him the job?


Why ain't the club signed players on for the last 3 years?

None of that is Potters fault. He got offerd the job by sir mac and he took the job. This ain't like the catalans team that potter had. His teams are big and rough.

Maybe the man who gave potter the job and the man who stopped the club signing players fault.'"


We have signed players,and weve also resigned players like Wilkin,Roby,Graham,Wheeler,Pryce on longer bigger contracts.

We spend to the cap or as near as damit. I dont think moneys the problem.
I think the next couple of weeks will answer a lot of questions but after last night I think we probably know the answer unfortunatly.

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Quote: FearTheVee "

Although I was mocked I bet you could go back 3 years and find scores of posts from me about this issue. It's been coming and I think Potter is potentially unlucky. It was a thoroughly poisoned chalice he took on and one that could very well destroy his coaching career after a promising start at Catalans.

In recent seasons we had an absolutely outstanding team and a decent squad. Over the last 3 or 4 seasons now we've constantly weakened it to the point we are at now. People say I go over board and there is a little truth to that perhaps, but you would have to have your head in the clouds to not spot the weakening of the squad with this idiotic notion that kids from the acamedy can replace all time greats and senior pros alike. The way to bring young players through is to have one or two amongst the senior players and to only bring more in once those have either left or played enough games to be established. We throw them in like they are expendable and we could well end up destroying the careers of players like Jammer, Clough and Eastmond through giving them too much responsibility too young.

I've said it for a while, we're 3 senior players short of a full squad and given the fact that we've now got very few star players it's mysterious as to where the cap money is being spent, if we are spending it.

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I don't know how anyone can blame Potter yet. He needs a chance to rebuild.

Saints are in exactly the same position Wigan were in 5 years a go.

We lost Farrell, Lam, O'Connor, Cassidy and Radlinski in a short space and tried to replace with kids but it didn't work.

Long and Cunningham are still hanging on at Saints but they are past it now. You try to replace with kids but you can't replace experience. Under the salary cap you can't buy experience either.

I don't think things will end us as bad at St Helens like they ended up at Wigan (two record defeats and a relegation battle) but it'll be damn hard for you to keep at the top.

Like's been said though your season isn't over yet.

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Speaking as a neutral looking on.
On paper you still have the best fully fit first team 17 in SL.
But I don't think you will win the Grand Final this year.

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Quote: Fatbelly "You still have the best fully fit first team 17 in SL'"

Yeah, but they seem to have forgotten how to play rugby league.

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Quote: Fatbelly "Speaking as a neutral looking on.
You still have the best fully fit first team 17 in SL'"


We don't. Leeds full strength 17 is better than ours. They have better outside backs (Bar Gidley) and a far better pack (Bar 2/3 of the front row).

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No team has a right to success and no fans have a right to expect it.

Leeds are without doubt the best bunch of players while Hudds and Hulk are the best teams. Saints best chance of success, in true Merseyside Styleee, is a smash-and-grab on the GF.

I would love that.

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Quote: pilgrim "Saints best chance of success, in true Merseyside Styleee, is a smash-and-grab on the GF. '"

But St Helens isn't in Merseyside, it's in Lancashire, so how do you do smash and grab?

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