Started a topic on here last week pal about Long being past it(at least for a title challenging club), not as a knee jerk reaction to his performance against the bulls but based on the majority of his performances over the last 12-18 months and the injuries suffered. As i expected though i was shot down by those who wear the rose tinted glasses. For whats its worth i believe we need to be starting with either Wheeler or eastmond at half back now; and before i am shot down again by those who think that both are too inexperienced & will cost us games, i agree, however that is only what is happening now with Long. The benefit though when throwing kids in at the deep end is they will learn very quickly and even quicker when learning from their own mistakes

I can't believe what I'm about to do... I'm going to stick up for Long. >cough, splutter<

He took a huge head blow early on and came considerably worse off. He was clearly dazed and confused, the look on his face was almost "Did anyone get the number of that bus?"

He needed to be taken off and allowed to recover rather than left on the field. He looked groggy and tired, a head shot takes it out of you. The body's recovery process from a shaken brain is TIRING, basic sports science. He should have taken time to let his body do the hard recovery on the sidelines, then come back out.

Whose fault's that? Your coach perhaps? Your fitness staff? Long himself? In his state, the decision should have been made for him.

I hardly ever come on here, but this was the first thread I clicked on and the third post in gives me reason to

Thankyou. I don't need to check out anything else & I'm back over to cherry & white

I agree it wasn't just long who was pi$$ poor but i'm gettin very worried bout his form.

I hate to say it but I think he is finished.

His passing, defence, kicking at the moment looks pretty poor.

I just hope he avin a run of poor form.

I thought you all looked knackered.
Could there be a virus in the camp?

Glad she finally found something to make her happy

Dear oh dear how fickle !!!

What - not even on your wedding night?

Graham looked like a kid lost every time time he took the ball in he got hammerd and the rest of the time he just passed to avoid getting hit.

As for long he look's very old now but was still your best player on the day

Wrong. Saints weren't ALLOWED to play.

Is it really beyond a sintelliner to give Wigan ANY credit?

There was a point when we actually started making moves from deep and utilising dummy runners, and made good yards from it.

Then we lost our heads again and went to one up man ship.

Wigan deserve credit for a great win, but to state it was all because Wigan played amazing is as daft as to state it was because Saints were awful on the day. The truth is somewhere in the middle of the two.

As Ski said though its a mixture of two. There is no denying that Wigan were the best team on the day and fully deserved the win but you also can't deny that Saints performance was a long way under par to what is generally on display.

Just another weekly round game for us it was quite simply the goons cup final hence had a wigoon win stamped all over it. Lets see who's winning the trophies come the end of the season.

No, many have given you credit, but Saints were shocking, and didn't look to be putting any effort into the game at all. Thats how i saw it anyway. I didn't think Wigan were particulary outstanding, they were good yeah, but Saints were shocking.

Best Wigoon performance in Noble's tenure for mine they were outstanding.