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| Quote: jaybs "Typical response! you can only look rede and white shirt, it suits you, players under a certain age should not be able to transfer without a fee when he has been developed by that club, same with any player would you like to lose Jamie Foster for nothing. I think the difference is I may support Quins RL, but I always think "All for the Good of The Game" and not blinkered about soley about the club I follow and support! so it is my opinion! which is what forums are about and it is You that should Get Over it! have a nice weekend! lol'"
We've lost Kyle eastmond, James Graham, Jake emmitt and bryn Hargreaves for no transfer fee.
It's just how it goes mate.
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| Quote: St pete "We've lost Kyle eastmond, James Graham, Jake emmitt and bryn Hargreaves for no transfer fee.
It's just how it goes mate.'"
Exactly , Jaybs is just deluded. Business is Business
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| Quote: Chris Saint "Eric Huges was in charge from 1994 for just over 2 years, was he was promoted to the role directly from the Academy? Otherwise you cannot possibly claim Cunningham was a Hughes gem seeing as he'd have come from a previous Youth set up.'"
Eric Hughes made his name coaching the reserve grades. And he was a pretty good coach at that level. But he was out of his depth higher up.
Quote: Chris Saint "Extending Huges effects through to 1998 the kind of junior players that era brought through were Chris Morley, Joey Hayes, Richard Shiel, Andy Leatham, Danny Arnold, Paul Anderson (the centre), John McAtee, Brian Capewell, Tony Stewart, Jason Johnson, Lee Briers, Alan Cross, Scott Barrow.
There are a couple of decent players and others showed promise but it is hardly a who's who of Super League talent and trophies is it, let alone International and World Class? And Hughes wasn't restricted with a paltry salary cap, or pro rugby union and football, while dominant was far less celebrity instant millionaire that it is now.
Back to the present day the fact we could concievably field a decent starting 13 entirely based from academy products suggests we are doing fairly well at prodcuing SL talent
Wellens, Foster, Armstrong, Wheeler, Makinson, Gaskell, Lomax, Graham, Roby, Clough, Ashurst, Dixon, Magennis
Throw in a bench of last season departures doing ok in SL too
Hang on a second. You're looking at Hughes' junior set-up with the benefit of hindsight whilst we have no idea what the future holds for the current crop. Not a fair comparison. At the time when Hughes' prospects emerged we thought they would all go on to have the kinds of careers we think this batch will enjoy.
Take six players as examples - Lee Briers, Keiron Cunningham, Joey Hayes, Tony Stewart, Andy Leathem & Danny Arnold. We had EVERY reason to think all six would either become international players or very good club pros. Briers when he emerged performed a minor miracle in replacing the suspended Bobby Goulding and no one had any suspicion he would be transferred to Warrington (that said, Briers HAS been a good SL player - even with his "issues"icon_wink.gif. Keiron Cunningham at a very early age looked GB material and was capable of holding his own against established players in his teens. Joey Hayes & Danny Arnold both hit the first team with a bang. Arnold racked up a whopping total of tries in his first two seasons and Joey Hayes was an international winger and looked a certainty for years. Stewart seemed like a classy prospect on the wing and Leathem was the kind of prop we could bank on for a decade.
At THAT time there was no suggestion that Stewart (transferred), Hayes (career-ending injury), Leathem (career-ending injury), Arnold (attitude problems) & Briers would bomb out for us.
Just as we have no reason to think the current crop might self-destruct. But it can happen. Whilst we think this batch will go on to form a great new generation they might go the same way. And again, I have to stress that Hughes had NONE of the advantages Mike Rush & co have. Under McManus we have taken junior development far more seriously (we have no choice) whereas Hughes was operating on a shoe-string budget.
P.S. I forgot to add Prescott to the list.
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| I think saying Briers bombed out us a bit harsh. He came into the side with Gouldings suspension, helped us get to the CC final and the was dropped for the final in favour of a returning scrum half who helped us win the game (the correct decision btw).
Briers asked to leave after that and the club didn't stand in his way. Can't blame him really.
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| Quote: Cragganmore Kid "Big club signs top performer from small club shocker!!
Almost never happens, that.'"
Correct, ask Andy Platt and Gary Connolly
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Correct, ask Andy Platt and Gary Connolly'"
Fishing trip tonight then, Rogues?
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Correct, ask Andy Platt and Gary Connolly'"
Don't forget, we got Ricky Bibey, albeit via Leigh.
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| Quote: Benidorm John "Don't forget, we got Ricky Bibey, albeit via Leigh.'"
YAY! The all conquering superstar Ricky Bibey
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "Fishing trip tonight then, Rogues?'"
No, just agreeing with the poster.
Anyone who doesn't think that players move for money and to bigger clubs are deluded.
It makes me smile, spectators expect players to stay loyal, but clubs move players on. The same spectators would move jobs (and that's what they are doing) if they were offered more money or a better career opportunity.
And it really is as simple as that.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "No, just agreeing with the poster.
Anyone who doesn't think that players move for money and to bigger clubs are deluded.
It makes me smile, spectators expect players to stay loyal, but clubs move players on. The same spectators would move jobs (and that's what they are doing) if they were offered more money or a better career opportunity.
And it really is as simple as that.'"
I've got to say I agree with you on that one. It's our passion but it is also their livelihood and they have to do what's best for them and their family ultimately.
And don't deny you was looking for a reaction with the Andy Platt and Gary Connoly comment, we know you were.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "No, just agreeing with the poster.
Anyone who doesn't think that players move for money and to bigger clubs are deluded.
It makes me smile, spectators expect players to stay loyal, but clubs move players on. The same spectators would move jobs (and that's what they are doing) if they were offered more money or a better career opportunity.
And it really is as simple as that.'"
I agree and have said many times that we can't blame players going for the money.
I don't blame Graham going for the better money and better lifestyle in oz. I don't blame Kyle either for going for the money but maybe he could have gone about it better.
In fact at 16 i turned down my home town club for more money myself (well my parents talked me into it).
Everybody would leave their current job for a much bigger offer somewhere else.
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| Quote: BackrowSaint "I've got to say I agree with you on that one. It's our passion but it is also their livelihood and they have to do what's best for them and their family ultimately.
And don't deny you was looking for a reaction with the Andy Platt and Gary Connoly comment, we know you were.
typical Rogues really , a troll in sheeps clothing
Connolly moved because he was forced out, Platt was a little before my time tbh
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "No, just agreeing with the poster.
Anyone who doesn't think that players move for money and to bigger clubs are deluded.
It makes me smile, spectators expect players to stay loyal, but clubs move players on.'"
Spectators have every right to expect players to stay loyal. Not least because they see examples of such all the time.
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| Quote: Mugwump "Spectators have every right to expect players to stay loyal. Not least because they see examples of such all the time.'"
Agreed!
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| Times have changed and not always for the better, one time players did stay at clubs because of loyalty and the way they had been looked after and treated and some still do as do workers! but now and more so in soccer it is £££££ and some of our players are getting that way, one being Kyle and the massive chip on his shoulder, believes his PR and that is always so dangerous.
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