At the Derby the Saints end were chanting his name like he was some sort of hero! Make your minds up.

And you lot was cheering the hero Ben flower that cost you the grand final. He got sent off which cost you a easy 40 point victory.

No, only 30

What a pathetic bunch of glory-hunters you lot are.

I thought I could be hard on the club. But you people take reactionary zeal to a new and completely insufferable level.

And it's ALWAYS THE SAME NAMES.

This is nothing to do with intelligence because as dense as many of you lot are I'd still expect you to realise you've been in precisely the same position before - last season (when once again you were crying like yo momma had just striped your cowardly behinds) - and yet, magically, ended up champions. Fancy that!

The rib-snapping comedy watching THE SAME NAMES who'd written Saints off ten weeks earlier coughing and spluttering and choking as they desperately attempted to rationalise their own pronunciations of DOOM in the context of TROPHY-LIFTING-REALITY is something I shall never grow tired of.

I mean, there we were - a week after one of the greatest victories in the club's history and THE SAME NAMES were effectively saying "We were lucky".

What hope is there for fans who can't even bring themselves to acknowledge one of Saints' greatest achievements and instead would rather talk about "luck"?

Do us all a favour and put on the Cherry & White.

Why? Got a guilty conscience?

We're second. Half our team has either been out or playing injured or returning from injury.

Go figure.

Exactly.

More tripe, from the Mug

He tries to prove a point by making things up. By saying it often enough he thinks people are gullible enough to believe him.

Here's an example.

I think you'll be fine in a few weeks, Walsh looked good the other night, he'll get better each week he plays. You won't be playing a side as good as Leeds for a while.

I have to say Walmsley is having a hell of a season, if he gets injured your in a bit of bother. I said in the off season to you that I thought only Hill was a better prop in this league. He looks way better than Hill so far this year.

You have got Greenwood and Vea missing at the moment from your pack, is there anyone else I haven't thought of? How is Greenwood, I thought he was outstanding before that nasty looking injury.

Your absolutely right about it being a long season, the writing off of Wigan's pack may have been a bit premature.

Mugwump, you are being overly defensive.

Call the loss what it was and saying x and y player were not up to it is not the same as turning on the team.

There has been a change in opinions on Mose, but does that mean when he pulls on the Red V the fans don't go out there and chant his name and big him up?? No they go and support the team, no matter their personal opinions on individuals and the current strengths and weaknesses of the team.

For god sake I chanted Meli's name every match I went to even though I thought he should have been dropped a few times over the years. There is a difference between being critical over one game and showing a lack of confidence in the team over all and not supporting them on game day.

I put us in the top 2 teams of SL, others put us in the top 3 of SL. That's hardly saying we are no good. We are not gonig to be a Wakefield and a few more points secures us in the top 8. But these threads are about 1 game, if you want to evaluate the team as a whole over the course of a series of games then start a thread (call it the season so far and put your thoughts about the range of games there. But on threads called the Leeds game and the Derby people are surely able to call players for their errors in those individual games)

Pete does not rate Mose in our team and never has, he thinks he is Lazy, I disagree, but I've managed to never turn it into a personal attack or doubt people's commitment to Saints and I can agree that in the last couple of games he has not pulled in the standards we needed against 2 possible championship competitors. In big games against top sides you need your best players to more than pull their weight. Long Cunningham Sculthorpe Lyon did this in their games and even when we were pants put in a shift to try and win the game.

2nd half against Leeds I thought Mose and Savelio upped there game dramtically, but they should have been at that level 1st half and we would not have been in as deep a hole as we were.

Finally if you think we are all bagging the team include Wilkin in with us as he too has said we have made poor starts to games all season and let other teams get too far ahead. ie we are not going out with our game heads on and only putting in the effort when it suits us.

To be fair, I think he csn be good player and ive always said this but I can't accept pure bone idle players. How he can sleep at night knowing hes letting down his team mates every week especially walmsley, Amor and the three young props.

I don't like the fact jones, swift and lance get dropped for poor performances yet we have a prob that most weeks can't do more than 10 mins, doesn't get into double figures in his carries and constantly walking back with his hands on his hips! A guy the size of him should be making more meters in his avg gain but agsinst leeds it was less than 4m which is awful for a 6ft 6in 18st mobile prop.

I don't dislike him as a person and hold nothing personal against him but I can't accept his on field performances.

I agree we'll be fine. I still think we'll be the side to beat providing we have something like a fit squad.

Walmsley is a quality prop forward but I'm concerned by our obsession with using him. We run with at least five props every week and yet Walmsley alone is used for a third of our props' carries. I'd be happier seeing the workload shared and I expect it'll go that way in time.

Greenwood we're likely looking late in the season, maybe August or so I'd think. Hopefully sooner. Other than him, Vea is a similar timescale I believe, Lomax gone for the season, Percival back this week apparently and obviously Walsh good to go it seems. We're getting there slowly but I think the second rowers are a big loss. I don't think anybody expected Vea and Greenwood to have the impact they've had but with Wilkin and LMS, we should be fine anyhow.

On Wigan. I still don't see them holding their own against our pack when it comes down to it although your mobility will help you defend against out attack if it goes the way I expect it to.

I think your right about Greenwood, he seems a big loss for you. Hope he recovers well, it's a shame to see a young player injured, whoever they play for.

What has happened to Amor, is he still affected by his injury from last year?

Don't be to quick to bag Sarginsons defence. It was poor the other night, but he's still not up to speed yet after missing the start of the season. His defence got better last season and he let no one down against AUS & NZ. (From another thread I saw)

I really don't have anything more to offer. Defeats and sticky patches are a statistical certainty. Especially when teams are suffering from injuries, swtich-arounds etc. etc. Futhermore, teams which are all-conquering mid-season often start to fade at the dénouement. I shouldn't need to tell you any of this. But nevermind.

If you care to check back - I predicted we'd likely experience a dip in form right before the Wigan game. I said <paraphrase> "It's important we don't lose our nerve" </paraphrase>

Ultimately, whether some or all of you wish to run for the hills in hysteria is really none of my concern. I've never been one to be influenced by the council of fools so you'll forgive me if, instead of joining you, I unfold my deck-chair, settle down and thumb my way through a good book.

I'll keep the kettle warm for when you all come scurrying back at the end of the season, whereupon, fully-fit side (or close to), it'll be Old Trafford once again.

Ta Ta.