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| i dread this bloke having the ball..he didnt impress me in all the world cup games he played in and he doesnt impress me now..did his annual ball drop again last night i see!
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| Quote: RIGSBY "i dread this bloke having the ball..he didnt impress me in all the world cup games he played in and he doesnt impress me now..did his annual ball drop again last night i see!'"
Not annually, it's weekly!
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| Quote: St pete "Not annually, it's weekly!'"
i thought i'd go easy on him!
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| Quote: RIGSBY "i thought i'd go easy on him!
To be honest, I'm totally amazed at his lack of aggression, power and will to win. I don't think he cares if he wins or loses.
Like I've said numerous times, I'm willing to give him more time to get more fit but IMHO it's not fitness that's the problem .
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| Quote: St pete "To be honest, I'm totally amazed at his lack of aggression, power and will to win. I don't think he cares if he wins or loses.
Like I've said numerous times, I'm willing to give him more time to get more fit but IMHO it's not fitness that's the problem .'"
Spot on there Pete the bloke has no desire to use his size to any effect that requires any sort of effort?
He's lazy and needs a look at that youtube clip of the bloke he should be?
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| Top metre maker in the forwards ... Again
Made 110 m off 13 carries, lms 95m off 12, walmsley 88m off 13 or Forster 29m off 6. Was also the top tackling prop...
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Top metre maker in the forwards ... Again
Made 110 m off 13 carries, lms 95m off 12, walmsley 88m off 13 or Forster 29m off 6. Was also the top tackling prop...'"
Yeah, but he didn't cause any defenders to explode upon impact, so we should swap him for Vea
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Top metre maker in the forwards ... Again
Made 110 m off 13 carries, lms 95m off 12, walmsley 88m off 13 or Forster 29m off 6. Was also the top tackling prop...'"
Doesn't do one on one tackles, he's 2nd and 3rd man every time.
If your happy with Mose being the run of the mill average meter maker than that's fine, I thought we'd signed a tackle breaking, aggressive big hitting prop that we needed.
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| Don't put stats in the way of a good rant.
1 Tackle less than Sia
2 Tackle busts
1 error
1 Penalty
More meters and Tackles than Walmsley.
I think we have a slight case of transfering You Tube clips into a full 80 minutes of play. When it's more like 24 games in a season.
I've been a lot happier with him than I expected. I was expecting a Feka, 2 runs and no tackles, out of breath after 10 minutes. In stead he is doing longer minutes and yes he does not get back quickly into the defending line, but he has been an effective prop.
Would be even better if he was following up on a team on the back foot.
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| Quote: St pete "Doesn't do one on one tackles, he's 2nd and 3rd man every time.
If your happy with Mose being the run of the mill average meter maker than that's fine, I thought we'd signed a tackle breaking, aggressive big hitting prop that we needed.'"
I'm happy whilst he's outperforming every other prop in the team (my frustrations rightfully so lie elsewhere)
Like I say, the tree ripping, tackle bursting, smiling assassin is a luxury player, who can't play like that whilst the team as a collective do the basics properly. Like supporting the ball carrier. What we have left is still someone making tackles and making metres. Yes he has flaws, but so did every player on that pitch last night.
Think back to the Anderson era. It was standard that virtually every time a forward took the ball up, someone (usually wellens) would come hurtling through on their shoulder in case they got the ball out. Graham took advantage of it, and has since redefined the prop forward role in aus. But it meant that defenders couldn't commit the numbers to the defence in case he passed, and his carries were bigger, and he'd get the quick play the ball. If there were someone in the team committing to that role wellens had in this team, all our forwards would look better for it.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Top metre maker in the forwards ... Again
Made 110 m off 13 carries, lms 95m off 12, walmsley 88m off 13 or Forster 29m off 6. Was also the top tackling prop...'"
James Greenwood 91 metres and 33 tackles was better.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "I'm happy whilst he's outperforming every other prop in the team (my frustrations rightfully so lie elsewhere)
Like I say, the tree ripping, tackle bursting, smiling assassin is a luxury player, who can't play like that whilst the team as a collective do the basics properly. Like supporting the ball carrier. What we have left is still someone making tackles and making metres. Yes he has flaws, but so did every player on that pitch last night.
Think back to the Anderson era. It was standard that virtually every time a forward took the ball up, someone (usually wellens) would come hurtling through on their shoulder in case they got the ball out. Graham took advantage of it, and has since redefined the prop forward role in aus. But it meant that defenders couldn't commit the numbers to the defence in case he passed, and his carries were bigger, and he'd get the quick play the ball. If there were someone in the team committing to that role wellens had in this team, all our forwards would look better for it.'"
Be interesting in seeing the mins he played compared to big Alex. Let's not kid ourselves here, it was against a club that been thrown together who ain't won a game this year.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "James Greenwood 91 metres and 33 tackles was better.'"
For us!
If we are going to take our own team apart, then there are others who need to shape up far more.
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| Quote: St pete "Be interesting in seeing the mins he played compared to big Alex. Let's not kid ourselves here, it was against a club that been thrown together who ain't won a game this year.'"
Totally agree, London isn't a perception changing game, but as I originally said, this isn't the first time he's posted stats like these.
Big Alex did play shortish minutes from my viewing. What was pleasing was, for the first time I can recall, he was dictating our line speed in the first 20 minutes or so. I think being able for him to do that is far more important than any stats he posted last night, so am more than happy to overlook it - after all he usually kills it! No silly errors for the first time in a while too.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Totally agree, London isn't a perception changing game, but as I originally said, this isn't the first time he's posted stats like these.
Big Alex did play shortish minutes from my viewing. What was pleasing was, for the first time I can recall, he was dictating our line speed in the first 20 minutes or so. I think being able for him to do that is far more important than any stats he posted last night, so am more than happy to overlook it - after all he usually kills it! No silly errors for the first time in a while too.'"
He was brought as a impact prop that brings aggression and big hits in defence.
Does he offer any impact ?
Does he have aggression ?
Does he do big hits?
Does he have a offload game ?
Does he have bust tackles?
Please answer on him in a saints shirt and not what you've seen on YouTube or prem sports.
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