It's really beginning to get on my wick. It just sends out all the wrong signals when your captain has completely lost his cool. Warrington must have been rubbing their hands when he started his now familiar ranting and raving.

I think this is a great summary of the match.

I may only have been a Rugby union player, but it was a well discussed point that you knew you had a team for Liverpool beat when they started bitching (it would usually be amongst themselves, mind).

It was far from perfect, but it was a performance that made me think we [icould[/i be a real contender in the playoffs, if we polish things up as a team. I have a lot of faith in our playing roster (at least, the first 18 names).

IMO we lack some class in the backs, we've got no real great attacking weapon in the backs or a " go to player" when we need to break up a tight game which IMO puts us behind Warrington, Wigan and hudds. In the past we've had pure quality which pull things out the bag when we need it or look down and out.

I'll prob get shot down for this but I'll say it anyway. I think we are in urgent need of a quality 6 or 7. Gaskell and lomax are two young kids who've been fantastic for saints this year and can't be knocked but IMO we've got two options with them, we either stick with them both at 6 and 7 but need to accept that in all honesty we will be a team fighting for a top four spot for the next 3/4 years as they learn their trade and develop into the players we hope they can be

Or

We stick with one of them and bring a good quality halfback in who can run the game, move us around the park and take control. At the moment Gaskell has been pretty steady and looks to have great long kicking game but he goes missing for large periods of the game. Lomax looks to have raw natural talent but at the moment he's showing it only in flashes and isn't being involved enough in the ball handling and at the moment isn't capable of controlling a game. So basically we are counting more more and on the forwards and especially Jon wilkin ( who's in the best form for years) and James roby to make things happen with the ball. I know lance looks to be playing in the halves next year but he's a runner, he likes to take the line on and isn't a ball player.

Before people start shooting me down ( saintsfan ), I'm in no way shape or form bagging Gaskell or lomax as they have exceeded our expectations this year and done us very proud but I'm saying we either stick with them and give them time but expect to be a team on the verge of the top four for few years or get a halfback signed and hope he can create a little more with the ball and move us round the park.

Also, what the hell has happened to wello over the last few weeks? He looks like he's finished, he can't even take the high balls now which he's been so safe with for the last 10 years or so. To be honest I've been shocked at how poor he's looking.

I'm assuming he's carrying an injury that's restricting his game and buggering up his timing. He certainly doesn't look himself at the moment.

Agreed. I'd give him a rest and let Ashe have a run at full back.

I hope that is the reason because it's pretty sad watching him St the moment, he's a pale shadow of the player he was.

It's strange that he's lost his ability to take the high ball that has been a main feature of his game and imo has been the safest player I've seen for part 10 years unde the high ball.