They've never been dealt with in spite of all the pseudo public hand wringing.

I blamed all the backs from 1-7 + Mose.

Every single back dropped the ball. Apart from maybe Jones who managed to give a head high shot on the floor.

We are going to burn him out

When did Swift drop the ball?

He didn't. The exception that proves the rule.

Typical that the guy who was dropped for defensive frailties is the only back who made no errors.

To be honest I thought he did, but looks like I must have just imagined it from the stats

I'm afraid that ship has sailed

Although Wellens was one of the worse players, for what its worth Wellens created our 2 trys otherwise it could have been 39-0 close to the Catalan standard.

To be fair, either Carney or Wells pointed out Wires tactic of bringing the quick backs into play around the ruck to run at forwards. Given the way we "went big" against leeds the week before, it was a good tactic to use.

That just happened to be the way they did it though, most tactics would have worked, given the way we coughed up possession and, as you say, completely folded (embarrassingly) when we should have been trying to make a come back.

Dux and I were texting during the game and he pointed out our complete lack of organisation at the ptb when defending. At one point, under our stick, Jones creamed the wire player (Hill, I think) and dumped them on his back. Should have been a dominant tackle, but second later, Soliola's rolling round on the floor while Hill's up on his feet and playing the ball. Next thing is they're running against an unorganised defence and they're over. When Brown was at Huddersfield, wrestling and getting an upper hand at the ruck was something he was known well, and the likes of him and McGuire were being criticised for their negative, yet effective tactics. Where's that now? We never seem to have control of the ruck?

If you watch Wigan, they tend to get up from the grounded player one defender at a time. That way there is always a marker already pretty much set before the attacker can even attempt to get onto his feet. When we complete a tackle, everyone gets up at once, so that you've effectively got an even race to see who can stand up the quickest. We need to be more co-ordinated at the ruck in order to stack the odds in our favour and stop our opponents playing at whatever speed they like.

Let's not forget that LH is a world cup winner.

Have spotted that too, we really do strugglewith basics in defence sometimes.

The annoying thing is we clearly know what the right things to do are, as we've done them on a number of occasions this year. Hair pullingly inconsistent.

......turn up at LP on time on the right day and errrr; that's it

Wellens and Lance had a bad game. However, if you take them out the team you're left with no leadership, no creativity or spark for the playoffs.

Compared to what?

From what I have seen in the past few weeks, we have no leadership, no creativity and no spark.

This team is spineless, it lacks courage, ambition, desire, heart and brains.

If you look at the stats the players we complain about in Wellens, Wilkin and Hohaia have the highest try assists in the team with the exception of Roby, you might might be able to drop one of them but not all of them. As it is you have got to pick Wellens every time with Hohaia, Wilkin and Walsh being out long term or end of season. Its also worth noting that these same players have some of the highest tackle counts, for me the pack are not doing a fair share of the work to give our temporary halves some energy, space and time.
Its the usual observation we look good in theory but in practice we have no work ethic and team work, leadership is Walsh nobody else has that quality.