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| Quote: The Chief "Taking away the respective pros and cons of each argument, does a marquee player rule fit within Saints current business model? We are debt free and looking to make a profit for the first time in years, would Eamon or Rushy want to out out and spend £300k-£400k a season on a top line Aussie?'"
I'm not sure we are debt free. McManus stated during his Superleague Superstars interview that Saints don't have any [ibank[/i debt. However, there is that £3 million that the club borrowed from one of its directors to furnish the stadium.
According to Mike Rush in his interview for Forty20 a few months ago (or was it Rugby League World? One of them anyway) the club is looking at breaking even by the end of this year.
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Eamonn hit's back:
Despite comments to the contrary in recent days, I'm delighted to say Super League goes from strength to strength as we prepare to enter into a new and exciting era. It is fantastic news that the game's commercial and marketing operations are transferring to Media City in Greater Manchester. Manchester is an international city, an international sporting city and an international media city. Rugby league is an international sport with a great product which is steeped in tradition and history. It is a significant and welcome step forward that we are now running and accurately presenting ourselves as such. It has always been an issue of mine that our headquarters is located at Red Hall, namely in a farmer's field twenty miles north of Leeds. No slight meant on Leeds but every slight meant on farmers' fields when it comes to a sporting business HQ and their consequent image.
More importantly, our new long term TV deal, combined with the very exciting new league formula for next season, will result in every club being able to spend full salary cap in 2015 without the overspending which blighted our game in recent years and which resulted in an embarrassing slew of club bankruptcies. We are now in a position whereby every game in next year's Super League will be fantastically competitive, and every club could and should be profitable. What a unique and enviable message of strength that would send out for rugby league amidst the otherwise increasingly insane and unstable commercial world of professional sport.
I was therefore happy that this week's Super League AGM saw ten clubs vote to defer consideration of the potentially inflationary "Marquee player proposal" to a date after the new league system has time to prove itself and bed in. More importantly, it is to be reconsidered in conjunction with other critically related matters regarding salary cap and British player production and retention. It was hilarious that Salford claimed that it was voted down by "RFL friendly clubs" when the proposal was created by the RFL in the first instance and re tabled by the RFL subsequently - you certainly don't need enemies with friends like that! It is nevertheless heart-warming that we can still maintain a keen sense of humour even when we discuss the most serious of matters.
What is not humorous however is the normally very sensible and impressive Brian Carney suggesting that the salary cap be disbanded altogether. He says that rugby league clubs did not go insolvent before its adoption. I'm afraid there couldn't be anything further from the truth. In fact, the big three of Saints, Wigan and Leeds were all seriously bust due to overspending on players and had to be bailed out by myself, Dave Whelan and Paul Caddick respectively. Other clubs even had to merge to save themselves. It was because of this that the salary cap was adopted and with the unanimous and continuing approval of clubs. It is the envy of other sports. Super League was saved by it and would be deeply vulnerable without it. Clubs have to be permanently self-sustaining and not dependent on the temporary largesse of chairmen and directors. Our new TV deal enables that as long as salary cap remains, and at its current level and in its current form.
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Eamonn hit's back:
Despite comments to the contrary in recent days, I'm delighted to say Super League goes from strength to strength as we prepare to enter into a new and exciting era. It is fantastic news that the game's commercial and marketing operations are transferring to Media City in Greater Manchester. Manchester is an international city, an international sporting city and an international media city. Rugby league is an international sport with a great product which is steeped in tradition and history. It is a significant and welcome step forward that we are now running and accurately presenting ourselves as such. It has always been an issue of mine that our headquarters is located at Red Hall, namely in a farmer's field twenty miles north of Leeds. No slight meant on Leeds but every slight meant on farmers' fields when it comes to a sporting business HQ and their consequent image.
More importantly, our new long term TV deal, combined with the very exciting new league formula for next season, will result in every club being able to spend full salary cap in 2015 without the overspending which blighted our game in recent years and which resulted in an embarrassing slew of club bankruptcies. We are now in a position whereby every game in next year's Super League will be fantastically competitive, and every club could and should be profitable. What a unique and enviable message of strength that would send out for rugby league amidst the otherwise increasingly insane and unstable commercial world of professional sport.
I was therefore happy that this week's Super League AGM saw ten clubs vote to defer consideration of the potentially inflationary "Marquee player proposal" to a date after the new league system has time to prove itself and bed in. More importantly, it is to be reconsidered in conjunction with other critically related matters regarding salary cap and British player production and retention. It was hilarious that Salford claimed that it was voted down by "RFL friendly clubs" when the proposal was created by the RFL in the first instance and re tabled by the RFL subsequently - you certainly don't need enemies with friends like that! It is nevertheless heart-warming that we can still maintain a keen sense of humour even when we discuss the most serious of matters.
What is not humorous however is the normally very sensible and impressive Brian Carney suggesting that the salary cap be disbanded altogether. He says that rugby league clubs did not go insolvent before its adoption. I'm afraid there couldn't be anything further from the truth. In fact, the big three of Saints, Wigan and Leeds were all seriously bust due to overspending on players and had to be bailed out by myself, Dave Whelan and Paul Caddick respectively. Other clubs even had to merge to save themselves. It was because of this that the salary cap was adopted and with the unanimous and continuing approval of clubs. It is the envy of other sports. Super League was saved by it and would be deeply vulnerable without it. Clubs have to be permanently self-sustaining and not dependent on the temporary largesse of chairmen and directors. Our new TV deal enables that as long as salary cap remains, and at its current level and in its current form.
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I might have been very critical of McManus doing things on the cheap at Saints with retention and signings but I couldn't agree more on everything he says salary cap and marquee related.
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| I totally agree with your Chairman's points re the marquee player proposal, and I'm glad that he deemed it the right course of action to publically state his view as a counter to Koucash's dummy spit.
He seems to have overlooked the fact that Leeds is an international city and indeed major sporting city, other than that he's spot on.
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| Quote: Les Norton "I totally agree with your Chairman's points re the marquee player proposal, and I'm glad that he deemed it the right course of action to publically state his view as a counter to Koucash's dummy spit.
He seems to have overlooked the fact that Leeds is an international city and indeed major sporting city, other than that he's spot on.'"
I don't think he was having a go at Leeds as such, in fact I think he mentions he isn't. It's more the fact it's in the middle of nowhere.
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| Quote: Les Norton "He seems to have overlooked the fact that Leeds is an international city and indeed major sporting city, other than that he's spot on.'"
He quite clearly didn't. In fact, he stated quite clearly that he [iwasn't[/i having a dig at Leeds. He was having a dig at the sport's HQ being in a farmer's field.
Jeez but these Yarkshire lot are an over sensitive bunch.
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| Tell me about it.
And Leeds is in the middle of just a bigger farmers field.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Tell me about it.
And Leeds is in the middle of just a bigger farmers field.
This is true. AND they all speak funny.
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| I would love to see Koukash respond to that. In fact, I would love to see anyone try to argue against any of that.
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| Quote: Albion "I would love to see Koukash respond to that. In fact, I would love to see anyone try to argue against any of that.'"
One small point I would argue with is "I'm delighted to say Super League goes from strength to strength" I'm not totally convinced, attendance figures are a concern at many clubs, it's like the tired statement of "The Greatest Game" which many people tend to believe unquestioned.
I wonder how much it is with McManus truthfully getting closer to Big Nigel? There must not be many sports were one man has such control over a sport, and his background is not that rosey! I agree with Koukash, that it is time Super League controlled it's own destiny, with a CEO of it's own, and no representative on the board from The RFL, I tend to feel Soley is only a voice for Wood.
You can have someone who has the money like Koukash, and does not need to go to Hong Kong for money, or perhaps a Chairman like David Hughes at London, who has spent more personal money than any other into Rugby League, but has made some bad choices and been too loyal to some staff?
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| Quote: jaybs "One small point I would argue with is "I'm delighted to say Super League goes from strength to strength" I'm not totally convinced, attendance figures are a concern at many clubs, it's like the tired statement of "The Greatest Game" which many people tend to believe unquestioned.
I wonder how much it is with McManus truthfully getting closer to Big Nigel? There must not be many sports were one man has such control over a sport, and his background is not that rosey! I agree with Koukash, that it is time Super League controlled it's own destiny, with a CEO of it's own, and no representative on the board from The RFL, I tend to feel Soley is only a voice for Wood.
You can have someone who has the money like Koukash, and does not need to go to Hong Kong for money, or perhaps a Chairman like David Hughes at London, who has spent more personal money than any other into Rugby League, but has made some bad choices and been too loyal to some staff?'"
Didn't the clubs used to run the league and it brought little but discent, chaos and virtual bankruptcy?
Heaven help us if they ran the league again. The chairmen can't agree on relatively unimportant matters. Who knows what would happen when more significant items are discussed.
And I'm not sure David Hughes has spent more than other chairmen. We will never know how much any of the chairmen have ploughed into their respective clubs.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Didn't the clubs used to run the league and it brought little but discent, chaos and virtual bankruptcy?
Heaven help us if they ran the league again. The chairmen can't agree on relatively unimportant matters. Who knows what would happen when more significant items are discussed.
And I'm not sure David Hughes has spent more than other chairmen. We will never know how much any of the chairmen have ploughed into their respective clubs.'"
That is true, in fact SL asked the RFL to step in.
But that is all forgotten and everything is the RFL's fault....
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| Quote: bewareshadows "That is true, in fact SL asked the RFL to step in.
But that is all forgotten and everything is the RFL's fault....'"
Bring back Maurice!
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| Quote: SaintsFan "He quite clearly didn't. In fact, he stated quite clearly that he [iwasn't[/i having a dig at Leeds. He was having a dig at the sport's HQ being in a farmer's field.
Jeez but these Yarkshire lot are an over sensitive bunch.'"
Calm Down, Calm Down! We all had a big meeting and elected Les Norton as spokesperson for the county. Really.
I agree with McManus though.
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