Turner didnt even make the 17 last night due to the form of young Crooks and would be amazed if he played against Hudds next week.Sts are replacing 1 bad 1 in shenton with a worse 1 in Turner.

Shenton has improved since he got his move back to cas. He looking more dangerous with the ball.

It should be pointed our that shenton chose to leave and asked saints for the move.

Not according to his interview in the programme. He said it came completely out of the blue and that he thought he'd spend the rest of his career at Saints. Once he heard about the interest and that Saints were willing to let him go, he realised it would be the best thing for his family due to the travelling.

Another ridiculous move from McManus IMO, he's clearly better than Turner, which was just another stupid impulse buy because McManus saw him make that gallop down the pitch to score at Langtree Park.

Sounds like a soundbite the club would want the fans to hear. No coincidence his form returns just after he re-signs with his hometown club.

If he wanted to leave, why would the club not put that instead? The bit about him thinking he'd be here for the rest of his career is obviously cheese for the fans ears, but he very much makes out that he was pushed rather than walked.

His return to form could be just as easily linked to his confidence returning after his injury? After an arm break/dislocation it takes a long time to really trust it again.

If he was staying you would be moaning about how his big salary restricts us in the transfer market and how he has been a waste of money.

I don't know what his salary is and I've always been in favour of Shenton, he's a really good player and I think he could have become a fantastic player at Saints if we'd had a decent coaching set up while he was here.

I agree - he's been utterly wasted here and releasing him a year early for nothing and still paying a chunk of his salary to do so is still just a bit bizarre...

Is that fact or assumption?

I agree though I believe he has had some seriously crap service since he's been with us

I thought it was openly acknowledged that he's been released without a fee having been paid (Cas have no money) and with Saints continuing to pay a large percentage of his wages for the final year of his contract. Those wages won't count on salary cap to be fair, and by offloading him to a minor club on a multi-year contract now instead of releasing him as a free agent at the end of the year we've kept him away from Leeds, Wigan etc. but it still reaks of a poor bit of business any way you look at it.

I'm not overly surprised if we've let him go for nothing (fee wise) maybe inserting a sell on clause to make sure Cas couldn't just flog him and make a profit but I would be surprised if we were paying his wages. I'm assuming it's all confidential but it would certainly be a good question to ask Mr McManus at a future fans forum

Not a chance in hell we are paying shenton while he's playing for another team.

Why would we do that?

We're not paying a penny of Shenton's salary.

ANd you know this how?

Because I do, up to you if you choose to accept it or not.