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| It's the way we use our forwards they are far to flat and practically stood still when they get the ball! Only Sia and wilkin seem to take a run up when driving it in.
If mose and Walmsley ran from deep they would cause damage every time.
Don't know if this is tactics/ set up or the fact we are too slow at releasing the ball or maybe both!
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| Quote: theblondebomber "I get frustrated with Lomax slow PTB's. Has anyone else noticed this?'"
He looks scared of his hamstring. Has to stand up straight before playing the ball.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "He looks scared of his hamstring. Has to stand up straight before playing the ball.'"
So what are the fitness guys doing about it? Sweet FA I bet
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| Quote: theblondebomber "So what are the fitness guys doing about it? Sweet FA I bet'"
I don't think it's a fitness thing, more psychological (at least to my untrained eye) - the problem has only cropped up this year and he had a hamstring problem at the end of last year, so I guess he's worried about doing it again?
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| I wasn't convinced by tonight's display from Saints although glad we got the win, obviously.
But Luke Walsh was fabulous. He was the classiest player on the pitch by a distance. And that inside pass for Lomax was amazing to watch, along with his jinking run for his try. Love watching this guy play. But he won the game for us tonight.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Masoe used in the current setup is what were seeing, he posts good metres, tackles when required (but his line speed is poor) and still will manage a few tackle busts.
An on song, correctly used masoe, still would be all those things that have described him previously. You can't expect a luxury player to rip up trees when the whole team can't get the basics right.'"
I'm not asking him to pull up trees, I'm asking him to run with some aggression and power. That's basic play for a prop.
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| i dread this bloke having the ball..he didnt impress me in all the world cup games he played in and he doesnt impress me now..did his annual ball drop again last night i see!
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| Quote: RIGSBY "i dread this bloke having the ball..he didnt impress me in all the world cup games he played in and he doesnt impress me now..did his annual ball drop again last night i see!'"
Not annually, it's weekly!
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| Quote: St pete "Not annually, it's weekly!'"
i thought i'd go easy on him!
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| Quote: RIGSBY "i thought i'd go easy on him!
To be honest, I'm totally amazed at his lack of aggression, power and will to win. I don't think he cares if he wins or loses.
Like I've said numerous times, I'm willing to give him more time to get more fit but IMHO it's not fitness that's the problem .
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| Quote: St pete "To be honest, I'm totally amazed at his lack of aggression, power and will to win. I don't think he cares if he wins or loses.
Like I've said numerous times, I'm willing to give him more time to get more fit but IMHO it's not fitness that's the problem .'"
Spot on there Pete the bloke has no desire to use his size to any effect that requires any sort of effort?
He's lazy and needs a look at that youtube clip of the bloke he should be?
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| Top metre maker in the forwards ... Again
Made 110 m off 13 carries, lms 95m off 12, walmsley 88m off 13 or Forster 29m off 6. Was also the top tackling prop...
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Top metre maker in the forwards ... Again
Made 110 m off 13 carries, lms 95m off 12, walmsley 88m off 13 or Forster 29m off 6. Was also the top tackling prop...'"
Yeah, but he didn't cause any defenders to explode upon impact, so we should swap him for Vea
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Top metre maker in the forwards ... Again
Made 110 m off 13 carries, lms 95m off 12, walmsley 88m off 13 or Forster 29m off 6. Was also the top tackling prop...'"
Doesn't do one on one tackles, he's 2nd and 3rd man every time.
If your happy with Mose being the run of the mill average meter maker than that's fine, I thought we'd signed a tackle breaking, aggressive big hitting prop that we needed.
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| Don't put stats in the way of a good rant.
1 Tackle less than Sia
2 Tackle busts
1 error
1 Penalty
More meters and Tackles than Walmsley.
I think we have a slight case of transfering You Tube clips into a full 80 minutes of play. When it's more like 24 games in a season.
I've been a lot happier with him than I expected. I was expecting a Feka, 2 runs and no tackles, out of breath after 10 minutes. In stead he is doing longer minutes and yes he does not get back quickly into the defending line, but he has been an effective prop.
Would be even better if he was following up on a team on the back foot.
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