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| Quote: Judder Man "I can see Walmsley raising his game if he comes on the pitch the same time as Masoe, the Samoan will raise the bar in superleague in terms of impact and I think Walmsley will rise to it.
Its an awesome pack next season really looking forward to see us winning the momentum battles for a change.'"
That would be a major mistake IMO.
One lost ball or penalty and you're in trouble. Masoe last night and in the Knights game was struggling to get back to the ptb after 5 minutes on the pitch. Walmsley also seems more of impact player
I would be very surprised if Brown has them both on the field at the same time.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "That would be a major mistake IMO.
One lost ball or penalty and you're in trouble. Masoe last night and in the Knights game was struggling to get back to the ptb after 5 minutes on the pitch. Walmsley also seems more of impact player
I would be very surprised if Brown has them both on the field at the same time.'"
I agree, I'd probably go like this:
8. Anthony Laffranchi
9. James Roby
10. Alex Walmsley
11. Jon Wilkin
12. Willie Manu
13. LMS
14. Sia Solioa
15. Mose Masoe
16. Kyle Amor
17. A N Other
Or Sia starts at second row, Wilkin at loose and LMS on the bench.
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| With the amount of props we have signed for next season, I can see us playing a few props in the 17.
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| Quote: Albion "With the amount of props we have signed for next season, I can see us playing a few props in the 17.'"
Yep, also got the likes of Richards, Walker, Thompson, Beaumont, Clough, Flangan, Greenwood, Savelio etc to be pushing for places.
Just realised I've completely forgot about Josh Jones too, but we may see him at centre.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "That would be a major mistake IMO.
One lost ball or penalty and you're in trouble. Masoe last night and in the Knights game was struggling to get back to the ptb after 5 minutes on the pitch. Walmsley also seems more of impact player
I would be very surprised if Brown has them both on the field at the same time.'"
Walmsley has increased his fitness level, ball retention greatly before he struggled with a rib injury in the play offs. He has no problem with his line speed and quite often puts in 2 consecutive tackles, next season I think he will do longer minutes.
Masoe will tire obviously , but if the option is there to change a game in 10 mins then I think Brown will use it, both players will draw in extra defenders freeing up Manu and Soliola to do further damage.
Don,t forget the opposition defence will need a great deal of effort to contain such big impact props so the defence will tire as well and will need recovery time from the damage.
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| Having watched the Eng vs Aus game in central London, in fact just off Trafalgar Sq, the drinkers @ the pub I was in where loving the match. Some / most cheering on England who were all southern and a few sporting Australia. The guys supporting the Aussie where in fact Aussies lol. As I looked around the pub no one could take their eyes off the action on the screen. Then a unified 'ooooffff' when S.Burgess placed that high shot in. Also I saw most of the guys in the pub all getting excited when they saw the blood pouring out of Westwood and where amazed he was in making a tackle about 5 seconds after he got patched up. In all from what I saw in the pub they were loving it. We just need to get those people to attend a match, that’s the battle.
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| Working with the team posted above
8. Anthony Laffranchi
9. James Roby
10. Alex Walmsley
11. Jon Wilkin
12. Willie Manu
13. LMS
14. Sia Solioa
15. Mose Masoe
16. Kyle Amor
17. A N Other
The following prop rotation template would work well I think
@15m - Soliola for Walmsley (switch LMS to Prop and Wilkin to LF)
@20m - Amor for Laffranchi
@25m - Masoe for LMS
@50m Walmsley for Masoe
@60m Laffranchi for Amor
@65m - LMS for Walmsley
@70m Masoe for Lafrranchi
You could switch Laffranchi and Amor around and tweak the timings about as required but that would give the following minutes on the field at prop
Lafranchi - 30 mins
Walmsley - 30 mins
LMS - 25mins (another 15 at LF)
Masoe - 35 mins
Amor - 40 mins
Working with 5 props you keep them as fresh as possible whilst keeping your bigger better units on the field for the most amount of time. The downside is that 7 interchanges are used.
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| Quote: St. Etrigan "Working with the team posted above
8. Anthony Laffranchi
9. James Roby
10. Alex Walmsley
11. Jon Wilkin
12. Willie Manu
13. LMS
14. Sia Solioa
15. Mose Masoe
16. Kyle Amor
17. A N Other
The following prop rotation template would work well I think
@15m - Soliola for Walmsley (switch LMS to Prop and Wilkin to LF)
@20m - Amor for Laffranchi
@25m - Masoe for LMS
@50m Walmsley for Masoe
@60m Laffranchi for Amor
@65m - LMS for Walmsley
@70m Masoe for Lafrranchi
You could switch Laffranchi and Amor around and tweak the timings about as required but that would give the following minutes on the field at prop
Lafranchi - 30 mins
Walmsley - 30 mins
LMS - 25mins (another 15 at LF)
Masoe - 35 mins
Amor - 40 mins
Working with 5 props you keep them as fresh as possible whilst keeping your bigger better units on the field for the most amount of time. The downside is that 7 interchanges are used.'"
I think Amor is the perfect starting prop. If laffranchi is still with us, I think he'd also be best starting.
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| Quote: theblondebomber "Having watched the Eng vs Aus game in central London, in fact just off Trafalgar Sq, the drinkers @ the pub I was in where loving the match. Some / most cheering on England who were all southern and a few sporting Australia. The guys supporting the Aussie where in fact Aussies lol. As I looked around the pub no one could take their eyes off the action on the screen. Then a unified 'ooooffff' when S.Burgess placed that high shot in. Also I saw most of the guys in the pub all getting excited when they saw the blood pouring out of Westwood and where amazed he was in making a tackle about 5 seconds after he got patched up. In all from what I saw in the pub they were loving it. We just need to get those people to attend a match, that’s the battle.'"
I do think there is something about live sport, certainly in the regular rounds that requires some effort. I remember going to watch my first Liverpool match live. After years of watching them on TV reaching finals etc. I went to watch I think it was Liverpool v QPR or maybe Crystal Palace. I was bored silly. I think the score was 3 - 1 or something.
But there was not the passion and excitement I had got from the TV coverage.
There are some dower RL games too and I'm not sure the current format supports competitive RL as too many players, coaches and fans use it as a lead into the end of the season.
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| I would like to see LMS and Amor as starting props with Second rows Manu working the left hand side and Soliola working the right hand side.
This means Wilkin at loose forward providing a pivotal triangle with Walsh and Roby similar to our successful combination of Scully/Long/Cunningham.
Masoe, laffranchi, Walmsley to come off the bench against a tiring defence.
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| Quote: Judder Man "I would like to see LMS and Amor as starting props with Second rows Manu working the left hand side and Soliola working the right hand side.
This means Wilkin at loose forward providing a pivotal triangle with Walsh and Roby similar to our successful combination of Scully/Long/Cunningham.
Masoe, laffranchi, Walmsley to come off the bench against a tiring defence.'"
Spot on. That's exactly how I'd have it.
Amor
Roby
LMS
Soliola
Manu
Wilkin
Walmsley
Masoe
Laffranchi
And then either a utility such as Wheeler/Hohaia or another forward from the many that are left:
Flanagan, Beaumont, Clough, Walker, Thompson
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| Quote: Judder Man "This means Wilkin at loose forward providing a pivotal triangle with Walsh and Roby similar to our successful combination of Scully/Long/Cunningham.'"
In a game where we now use the fullback as creative pivot, having a playmaking 13 is a case of [itoo many chiefs and not enough Indians[/i, in my opinion. Your much better off with a bruiser.
In a perfect world you'd have a Scully or, to a lesser, extent an O'Loughlin, who have skills without giving up anything on the physicality. Aside from work rate, Wilkin doesn't offer enough on the physical side of the game to compete with our other forwards.
For me, he should be standoff or nothing and, given the salary I presume he's getting, I doubt he's giving us value for money. I'd have flogged him to Salford.
That's not to say I didn't appreciate his efforts this year, transforming himself into a halfback.
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| Laffranchi
Roby
Amor
Manu
Wilkin
LMS
Leaves Soliola, Walmsley and Masoe on the bench with Wheeler/Hohaia. Plenty of oomph on the bench there, which is what we've been missing for a while.
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "In a game where we now use the fullback as creative pivot, having a playmaking 13 is a case of [itoo many chiefs and not enough Indians[/i, in my opinion. Your much better off with a bruiser.
In a perfect world you'd have a Scully or, to a lesser, extent an O'Loughlin, who have skills without giving up anything on the physicality. Aside from work rate, Wilkin doesn't offer enough on the physical side of the game to compete with our other forwards.
For me, he should be standoff or nothing and, given the salary I presume he's getting, I doubt he's giving us value for money. I'd have flogged him to Salford.
That's not to say I didn't appreciate his efforts this year, transforming himself into a halfback.'"
I'd imagine lomax will be third man (and attacking pivot) down the left and Wilkin playing the same role down the right - so there shouldn't be too many chiefs (in theory) - also in that way it means that in a mix up we have Wilkin who can kick on one side and and turner on the other
I am all for Wilkin at 6 but judging by what's been said it's not gonna happen - but he's still worth a place in the side for mine his work rate, loyalty and improved skills set from this year alone warrants that and should be an upgrade on wellens who play(s/ed) that role.
Also, assuming Manu and Soliola are our other first choice second rowers - Wilkin offers something different to those two who have a much more physical game
I agree with the pack above of:
Laffranchi
Roby
Amor
Wilkin
Manu
LMS
Hohioa
Soliola
Walmsley
Masoe
My only concern is we're a hooker short if they insist on playing lance at 6
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| Nosey Parker's linked us with McShane, so maybe we'll not be a hooker short...
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