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| Quote: jaybs "With such a great youth system, which follows that of such as Leeds and Wigan it is unfortunate that you felt that you had to come to London to take LMS a player brought through the London Youth system which is starting to develop.'"
As I say it is not perfect, I think having a winning squad entirely based from your own academy is going to be more fluke than anything else, some players come through and then don't kick on.
LMS is a credit to the youth RL in London, may many more come through. It is the best way to grow the sport from the ground up
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| Quote: jaybs "With such a great youth system, which follows that of such as Leeds and Wigan it is unfortunate that you felt that you had to come to London to take LMS a player brought through the London Youth system which is starting to develop.'"
Boohoo , why is it unfortunate? players move on for new challenges and to develop - Jammer is off to the NRL to develop and LMS has decided to do the same with Saints, he looked like he'd gone a bit stale down at quins anyway. Nothing unfortunate about it, it's life and it opens up a spot in the Quins team for someone else.
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| Quote: jaybs "With such a great youth system, which follows that of such as Leeds and Wigan it is unfortunate that you felt that you had to come to London to take LMS a player brought through the London Youth system which is starting to develop.'"
I don't think we follow anyone. We developed it all by ourselves.
As for LMS, you miss what he has done for rugby in London. I listened to an interview with him on Radio London shortly after he'd moved up here. The links to our earlier Londoner were made but also just how well the Quins are doing to be able to produce someone who is sought after by other clubs. Like Shenton at Cas and Jammer here at Saints, I think LMS had grown a bit stale in London and wanted to start afresh with a new challenge. As it is, whenever he plays he is promoting the London connection which can only be a good thing IMO.
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| Quote: jaybs "With such a great youth system, which follows that of such as Leeds and Wigan it is unfortunate that you felt that you had to come to London to take LMS a player brought through the London Youth system which is starting to develop.'"
Big club signs top performer from small club shocker!!
Almost never happens, that.
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| Quote: Cragganmore Kid "Big club signs top performer from small club shocker!!
Almost never happens, that.'"
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| Quote: SaintsFan "As for LMS, you miss what he has done for rugby in London. I listened to an interview with him on Radio London shortly after he'd moved up here. The links to our earlier Londoner were made but also just how well the Quins are doing to be able to produce someone who is sought after by other clubs. Like Shenton at Cas and Jammer here at Saints, I think LMS had grown a bit stale in London and wanted to start afresh with a new challenge. As it is, whenever he plays he is promoting the London connection which can only be a good thing IMO.'"
I can assure you I fully support LMS now at St Helens and I can see why he would want to make the move, but like James I still think with home developed players by a club that a fee should be paid and no waiting until the end of the contract. I am one of those who think in the case of LMS he will want to return to London one day and play!
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| Quote: jaybs "I can assure you I fully support LMS now at St Helens and I can see why he would want to make the move, but like James I still think with home developed players by a club that a fee should be paid and no waiting until the end of the contract. I am one of those who think in the case of LMS he will want to return to London one day and play!'"
I think you live in cloud cuckoo land. Sport is a business and why would any business pay for something they can legally get for free? Bosman changed sport get over it.
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| Quote: No1 Saint "I think you live in cloud cuckoo land.'"
Typical response! you can only look rede and white shirt, it suits you, players under a certain age should not be able to transfer without a fee when he has been developed by that club, same with any player would you like to lose Jamie Foster for nothing. I think the difference is I may support Quins RL, but I always think "All for the Good of The Game" and not blinkered about soley about the club I follow and support! so it is my opinion! which is what forums are about and it is You that should Get Over it! have a nice weekend! lol
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| Quote: jaybs "Typical response! you can only look rede and white shirt, it suits you, players under a certain age should not be able to transfer without a fee when he has been developed by that club, same with any player would you like to lose Jamie Foster for nothing. I think the difference is I may support Quins RL, but I always think "All for the Good of The Game" and not blinkered about soley about the club I follow and support! so it is my opinion! which is what forums are about and it is You that should Get Over it! have a nice weekend! lol'"
We've lost Kyle eastmond, James Graham, Jake emmitt and bryn Hargreaves for no transfer fee.
It's just how it goes mate.
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| Quote: St pete "We've lost Kyle eastmond, James Graham, Jake emmitt and bryn Hargreaves for no transfer fee.
It's just how it goes mate.'"
Exactly , Jaybs is just deluded. Business is Business
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| Quote: Chris Saint "Eric Huges was in charge from 1994 for just over 2 years, was he was promoted to the role directly from the Academy? Otherwise you cannot possibly claim Cunningham was a Hughes gem seeing as he'd have come from a previous Youth set up.'"
Eric Hughes made his name coaching the reserve grades. And he was a pretty good coach at that level. But he was out of his depth higher up.
Quote: Chris Saint "Extending Huges effects through to 1998 the kind of junior players that era brought through were Chris Morley, Joey Hayes, Richard Shiel, Andy Leatham, Danny Arnold, Paul Anderson (the centre), John McAtee, Brian Capewell, Tony Stewart, Jason Johnson, Lee Briers, Alan Cross, Scott Barrow.
There are a couple of decent players and others showed promise but it is hardly a who's who of Super League talent and trophies is it, let alone International and World Class? And Hughes wasn't restricted with a paltry salary cap, or pro rugby union and football, while dominant was far less celebrity instant millionaire that it is now.
Back to the present day the fact we could concievably field a decent starting 13 entirely based from academy products suggests we are doing fairly well at prodcuing SL talent
Wellens, Foster, Armstrong, Wheeler, Makinson, Gaskell, Lomax, Graham, Roby, Clough, Ashurst, Dixon, Magennis
Throw in a bench of last season departures doing ok in SL too
Hang on a second. You're looking at Hughes' junior set-up with the benefit of hindsight whilst we have no idea what the future holds for the current crop. Not a fair comparison. At the time when Hughes' prospects emerged we thought they would all go on to have the kinds of careers we think this batch will enjoy.
Take six players as examples - Lee Briers, Keiron Cunningham, Joey Hayes, Tony Stewart, Andy Leathem & Danny Arnold. We had EVERY reason to think all six would either become international players or very good club pros. Briers when he emerged performed a minor miracle in replacing the suspended Bobby Goulding and no one had any suspicion he would be transferred to Warrington (that said, Briers HAS been a good SL player - even with his "issues"icon_wink.gif. Keiron Cunningham at a very early age looked GB material and was capable of holding his own against established players in his teens. Joey Hayes & Danny Arnold both hit the first team with a bang. Arnold racked up a whopping total of tries in his first two seasons and Joey Hayes was an international winger and looked a certainty for years. Stewart seemed like a classy prospect on the wing and Leathem was the kind of prop we could bank on for a decade.
At THAT time there was no suggestion that Stewart (transferred), Hayes (career-ending injury), Leathem (career-ending injury), Arnold (attitude problems) & Briers would bomb out for us.
Just as we have no reason to think the current crop might self-destruct. But it can happen. Whilst we think this batch will go on to form a great new generation they might go the same way. And again, I have to stress that Hughes had NONE of the advantages Mike Rush & co have. Under McManus we have taken junior development far more seriously (we have no choice) whereas Hughes was operating on a shoe-string budget.
P.S. I forgot to add Prescott to the list.
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| I think saying Briers bombed out us a bit harsh. He came into the side with Gouldings suspension, helped us get to the CC final and the was dropped for the final in favour of a returning scrum half who helped us win the game (the correct decision btw).
Briers asked to leave after that and the club didn't stand in his way. Can't blame him really.
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| Quote: Cragganmore Kid "Big club signs top performer from small club shocker!!
Almost never happens, that.'"
Correct, ask Andy Platt and Gary Connolly
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Correct, ask Andy Platt and Gary Connolly'"
Fishing trip tonight then, Rogues?
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Correct, ask Andy Platt and Gary Connolly'"
Don't forget, we got Ricky Bibey, albeit via Leigh.
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