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| Quote: bewareshadows "I'm easily hooked, by comments which suggest the end for a player after one game being out of the team. AKA the threads about Wellens being out, the thread about Gaskell and Makinson on the same page as this one, the threads in the past about Wheeler not getting anymore chances.'"
Except, of course, the club has form when it comes to dropping young players, especially Gaskell. So I don't think the question is at all unreasonable.
And while Gardner may offer some go forward in kick returns, some of the tries Makinson has scored Gardner wouldn't have come near to scoring. And Gardner doesn't have half Makinson's pace.
Meli won't be dropped no matter what a load of balls he plays because unfortunately, when it comes to senior players, they get to play regardless of their form, their abilities or their attitude.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Except, of course, the club has form when it comes to dropping young players, especially Gaskell. So I don't think the question is at all unreasonable.
And while Gardner may offer some go forward in kick returns, some of the tries Makinson has scored Gardner wouldn't have come near to scoring. And Gardner doesn't have half Makinson's pace.
Meli won't be dropped no matter what a load of balls he plays because unfortunately, when it comes to senior players, they get to play regardless of their form, their abilities or their attitude.'"
Gardner performed better on Saturday than Makinson has done so far this season (and scored a try). No point in Makinson having pace if he never uses it. He never beats the man on the outside, never comes in field looking for work and doesn't provide much go forward from kick returns. Its a toss up between Meli and Makinson for me, Gardner is fairly consistent.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "
And while Gardner may offer some go forward in kick returns, some of the tries Makinson has scored Gardner wouldn't have come near to scoring. And Gardner doesn't have half Makinson's pace.
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You need to look at the whole package, an in form Gardner is a much better option, the only thing against him his age. Makinson is very frustrating, he,s a one trick pony at the moment, i,m expecting better things from him but he doesn,t seem to be able to go up another level.
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| Quote: Judder Man "You need to look at the whole package, an in form Gardner is a much better option, the only thing against him his age.'"
I disagree.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "I disagree.'"
Thats because you protect your 2 boys at all costs, something we might agree on.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Thats because you protect your 2 boys at all costs, something we might agree on.'"
That's a childish thing to say.
I disagree with your point on Gardner because I disagree with it. I believe when looking at the whole package it is Makinson who is the 'much better option'. The only advantage Gardner has over Makinson is in his kick returns. In all other respects he is inferior to Makinson.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "That's a childish thing to say.
I disagree with your point on Gardner because I disagree with it. I believe when looking at the whole package it is Makinson who is the 'much better option'. The only advantage Gardner has over Makinson is in his kick returns. In all other respects he is inferior to Makinson.'"
Each to their own choice.
However I don't think they are being compared like for like.
Makinson has not had any service. Playing an expansive game Makinson is a finisher with pace to beat people.
Playing a limited game the steady eddy clear you lines approach of Gardner has value.
I want to see Saints play football again and use the backs. Having Gardner on the end of line negates this , he offers no threat in a genuine attacking sense.
Think there is a place for Gardner at right second row. Tackles well is big enough and could still do his trademark scoots or first man plunges in exit sets.
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| Meli and Gardner provide better go forward than Makinson, but have less pace. I think Meli's guaranteed his place, (don't know why or particularly agree with it but I think that's the way it is), leaving it a choice between Makinson and Gardner for the right wing spot.
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| Quote: Gerry Mander "Think there is a place for Gardner at right second row. Tackles well is big enough and could still do his trademark scoots or first man plunges in exit sets.'"
And drop him for who, exactly? Or, are you not being serious?
I think we are best off sticking with Soliola, personally.
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| For the record, I think I prefer Gardner over Makinson atm. Don't see the big fuss over Makinson currently, he's as error prone as Meli IMO.
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| Quote: Albion "For the record, I think I prefer Gardner over Makinson atm. Don't see the big fuss over Makinson currently, he's as error prone as Meli IMO.'"
Now that's a big call to make!
Even against a not so good Bradford outfit Meli still managed to mess up. In the end Makinson just has to bide his time, Meli is due to leave this season and unless we want to spend money on wingers rather than props and Halves (unlikely) next year Makinson is almost garunteed a spot.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "Now that's a big call to make!
Even against a not so good Bradford outfit Meli still managed to mess up. In the end Makinson just has to bide his time, Meli is due to leave this season and unless we want to spend money on wingers rather than props and Halves (unlikely) next year Makinson is almost garunteed a spot.'"
Meli has made one more error than Makinson so far this season, so the statement stands if you consider Meli has played one more game!
As you say both Gardner and Meli will probably go at the end of the year, so Makinson is a shoe in next year. Wonder who will be on the other wing
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| Quote: Albion "Meli has made one more error than Makinson so far this season, so the statement stands if you consider Meli has played one more game!
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| Quote: Albion "And drop him for who, exactly? Or, are you not being serious?
I think we are best off sticking with Soliola, personally.'"
Yes not a joke a serious opinion. SRs don't play 80 minutes anyway. Not an either or choice IMO.
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