Another nonsense decision against us. You do start to wonder if there is some form of bad feeling from the referees at the moment. We wouldn't get either of the decisions this week or last weeks. Perhaps though we just notice them more because we're terrible and near the bottom.

Never mind eh?

I guess all them years at the top gaining dubious decisions in your favour have finally been snuffed out. Welcome to the real world of rugby where you get jack poop down at the bottom end

I was more upset / annoyed with Hulls tactics throughout the match to be honest especially from Mane Fonua and Tuimavave and by that I mean constant diving after the tackle when playing the ball it was an absolute disgrace especially from Fonua. They should be penalised every time.


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How many times did the linesman enter the field of play to stop the game? I lost count.

and saints players didnt do the same? talk about blinkered! both teams did that and moved off the mark!

I dunno about the slide in, it did look a bit unnecessary but he did kinda pull out of it, a penalty was probably the most that could be given for it, nobody is saying anything about the player playing dead after it, or the ott reaction from some of the Hull players, but that's their default demeanor these days, exaggerate everything to the max.
I'd like to see the shoulder on Sneed again, from what I remember Sneed put that ball on his foot knowing he was gonna get clattered, that was the play, to get a penalty first, scoring was secondary.
Peyroux was set to tackle at some speed, he's only got a fraction of a second to cancel that order, he has momentum how does he avoid Sneed now he doesn't have the ball....I dunno, Sneed ain't gonna check his run when he's looking for a penalty, so I suppose we're left with Peyroux not trying hard enough to avoid contact, there was always gonna be contact no matter what and ended up being a block with potential to be something worse.
So...penalty then, which is what happened.
Its gonna look like I'm coming down on Hull but I'm neutral and just saying what I see, the elbow on the floor was an utter f****** disgrace, good job I'm not on the panel cos I'd give that **** 5 games for that and be thankful Warmsley walked away with his face still in one piece.

For a neutral that's one hell of a one sided view. Some of it is valid (or at least on this planet). But Sneyd playing for a penalty and Peyroux simply struggling to avoid the contact? Complete nonsense.

My view of the incidents as follows:

8 point try: It was a foul so with the rules as they are you can't say its the wrong call. However, I've seen dozens of those over the years and can't remember the last 8PT, so I can see where the frustration is from.

Peyroux: Shoulder charge with contact to the head. I personally don't think it warranted a red, but players have been sent off for less. Yellow for me. He'll get banned at least two games, and you lot should be celebrating that fact, because he's one of the worst players I've seen wear the red vee.

Turgut: Surprised about the (over)reaction to this. No complaints about the yellow, it was a cheap shot, and can't blame Walmsley for reacting, but really he didn't do much more than give him a facial. Hardly a forearm smash. Smacked to me of a young player wanting to stamp his mark on the game and show he wasn't intimidated, but going about it all wrong. He'll probably get banned (don't think he would have played next week anyway), he'll learn a lesson. Walmsley will have already forgotten about it and will get worse next week.

Well I'm Wakey, I couldn't care less, its all about opinions.

Turgut....a bit of a facial ??

I thought it was a UFC strike on the ground with no capacity for lessening the impact, it had buckets of potential for serious injury.
we'll just have to disagree and that's that.

I thought the 8 point try was probably harsh in the context of recent seasons however I would back it 100% if it was applied consistently the rest of this season.

As for the elbow on Walmsley, I don't think it was serious enough to warrant a red card. I think a sin bin is about right for that. However he should also have received a good smack from Walmsley too.

Don't forget a Saints player (was it Peyroux?) should've been sinbinned for the late hit on Sneyd. So it wasn't all one way.

If I were a Saints fan I'd be much more concerned about Cunningham's continual strange comments to the press rather than the 8 point try.

I just really don't think Cunningham is cut out to be a head coach. He's clearly too emotional.

Too often he completely slates his team in the press or blames some other factor like the ref.

Either way it's not responsible for a head coach and doesn't help the mentality of his team in my opinion

This is exactly the point; it was a penalty all day long, and as it was in the act of scoring, a penalty try was the right decision...

But - this happens every week in every game, and isn't penalised - and therein lies the problem; a total lack of consistency, which is extremely frustrating, especially for fans of a team in your position - and evidently the coach, who can't help but blame the officials for every loss as he sees his P45 looming large.

Personally I don't think 8 point tries are awarded often enough. Players seem to see it as open season for a cheap shot to take out their frustration when someone is scoring a try. Refs generally just let it go. If it would be a penalty in normal play it should be an 8 point try.

Inconsistency is exactly the issue with it - Albert Kelly did exactly the same to Percival when he scored earlier and nothing was said (ironically given a warning from disciplinary for doing it too whilst Walmsley has a charge to answer to). Not sure how 2 people doing the exact same thing in the same game can have such different outcomes and that is the frustrating part.

Maybe if Percival had joined the footballer's school of acting that Tuimavave (and various other Hull players) seem to have been taking and held his head/rolled about on floor we could have got something too - but thats certainly an aspect we dont need in our game

Kelly made contact with percival before the ball had been grounded

HTH



Saints fans have a good reputation for sportsmanship towards other fans (2005 semi final will live with me forever on that score). Stop whining, you are sounding like your out of depth coach

Good post. Far too often do we see players going in with the knees or going in heavily on a player who has already scored. A few more 8 point tries, some sin binnings and some bans will stop it

Most comments about the penalty after try seem right. Every defender seems to think it is a free chance to have a dig at the scorer and although Walmsley's looked less and less serious with replays, it was a penalty (not penalty try grrr!).

Missed the Peyroux tackle but has been topical for a few seasons now so all players should be aware. No reason anyone should be approaching a kicker or attacker with their shoulder.....it can only result in being penalised at best and disciplinary at worst.

The elbow on Walmsley was too much and yellow was a good attempt by the ref to try and deal with it and prevent it getting out of hand. Remember Fa'asavalu pushing Brent Grose (?) over the hoardings at Warrington a few years back.....simply fueled the players until there was a decent bust up near the end of the game. As a spectator its that kind of act (unsportsmanlike or ungentlemanly?) that I find poor. Not sure its designed to injure the players (obviously it could do), just gain some kind of mental advantage or maybe its just a show of frustration but it does need to be stopped.

Cunningham should go away from talking about referees and decisions (and start coaching.... and maybe start that by watching some old videos when we could pass and support....bring back Haggerty & Groves!!).

Clearly this year the RFL are looking to get rid of the ungentlemanly element of our game (incidents after scoring, players moving off the mark, touching referees, unnecessary shoulder charges or on the floor treatment). We have long looked down on our footballing counterparts who call the refs 'effing sees' from the moment the coin lands tails up....or who can pirouette on the floor three or four times from a routine tackle......or dive before a defender has even got there. We want to continue looking at these poor role models and know that our players, our game is better......so long may the men in black continue to tackle these issues.....just keep up the consistency!!