I think you need to check out the highlights in both those games to see 2 decent tries in each game scored with plays out wide. LMS and Greenwood are playing a bit wider as well with the centres.

The thing is I'm not even bothered if the club achieves success or not. I just want it to try. If we make five or six signings next season and are ambitious with those, I don't care if we don't match Warrington or Wigan, I'd be glad we tried. A lot of SL is terrible, but there are a few clubs trying not to be and those clubs will take the trophies. I don't see why we can't be one of them.

Let's not kid ourselves. Our attack v Widnes was largely diabolical. And the entire performance after the first 20-25 mins on Friday was a disgrace.

On Fridays game, Greenwood, Peyroux, Walsh, Dawson and Thompson picked up injuries in the first half so that toil was going to have its effects in the second half.

Oh well. Some people can clearly see our faults and are unhappy with what's going on.

Others make excuses and have their heads in the sand.

Peyroux, Walsh, Dawson and Thompson stayed on the field. Walsh and Peyroux was more or less the walking wounded and Hull attacked that channel in the second half using Pritchard. It was our decision making, discipline and defence that let us down around the 30 min mark.
On 37 mins Wilkin did a no pressure kick on the 3rd tackle, Hull ran it back 30 metres before I think it was Wilkin gave away a daft penalty to Hull let camp near our try line to score going into the break 16 -10 instead of 16-4 that was bad decision making and discipline.
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I didn't expect Walsh to come out in the second half, most of the running play had to come from Fages but Dawson (calf) and Peyroux (hamstring) were struggling. Also in the second half we had for some reason Walmsley flying out of the defensive line on 3 occasions and missing the tackle and making a big hole in our defence each time, I'm not quite sure but I think he got pinged for a penalty on one of them.
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Hull were also winning the energy battle after 60 mins, with 5 or 6 players not playing the Easter Monday game against a team with 4 injured players on the field.

They might be excuses but that was how I saw the game from my "sand pit" perspective, so I'll just leave it at that.

No worries Keiron. Enjoy the rest of the season.

Well there's a couple of things to discuss here.

If Walsh was so injured that kicking 1 drop goal from 20m out was beyond his realm of ability at that time, why was he not subbed and one of the plethora of other halfbacks (Wilkin, Burns, Turner) brought in? Poor coaching.

If Peyroux has been playing with his thigh strapped the way he has, is it any wonder after his 3rd straight game he's going to be struggling? Why has their been no rotation at throughout the games? Poor coaching with a lack of faith in the youngsters (despite virtually every other club bringing kids in, the Wales international kid in Grace can't get a game still?)

If Greenwood failed his concussion test, why did KC seem unaware he couldn't bring him back on (as per him talking about bringing Wilkin back to the middle where he was "good")? Why could he not readjust and bring Savelio or Peyroux into the left second row for a stint? Poor coaching, with an ever growing preference to sub by the clock.

Hull themselves had a few issues. Minichello went off before we picked up any problems. Save injuries as an excuse for Brian McDermott. This was all our own doing.

I agree, Peyroux didn't look match fit to play that game. Walsh should have been subbed with perhaps Fages at scrum half and Burns at Stand Off, Wilkin was making a few bad decisions so it was probably better leaving him as he was.
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Bringing in youngsters is one for debate, is it better to play a youngster with a strong side where they can learn off the full time pro's or throw them into the deep end in a weakened team at risk, we know KC is limited on risks.

The Greenwood affair was amateur, at one point we had Roby, Walsh, Fages and Burns on the field at the same time and I,m not sure what Burns role was. Poor inexperienced coaching awareness from KC and his gang.

OK so injuries is your excuse for Hull. What's your excuse for the dire boring one up rugby before that?

I am actually interested in seeing Saints on Friday.

On here and the RedVee I have read loads bemoaning your style of play and saying that Saints play boring Rugby and that you not finish in the top 4.

But I stick by the adage never write off the Saints and was wondering if it is the case that you all have an unnecessary dose of negativity!

No doubt about it we are boring as hell. It's so bad it's unwatchable at times.

Wirh the league being such a poor standard we could still make top 4 but I honestly can't see it.