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| Probably dropped. He was garbage last week.
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| Quote Albion="Albion"Probably dropped. He was garbage last week.'"
So was others but it's always lance and jones dropped. No wonder they want out.
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| Quote No1 Saint="No1 Saint"Lance dropped or injured?'"
Dissapointed if he is dropped has good utility value and is worth a first 17 spot. Would sooner Makinson stay on the wing and chance Lance some more time to get familiar with his old fullback position.
Don,t think its the right time to bring in a young rookie player in the backline for this game, also any injuries there and we end up with LMS in the centres again.
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| I'd imagine KC thinking it would be easier to blood a rookie against Leeds with Hall and Briscoe both missing.
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| Quote St pete="St pete"So was others but it's always lance and jones dropped. No wonder they want out.'"
Easy targets. With KC if your on the outside I think your pretty much done. I've been baffled a few times this season with Lance's omissions and Jones's . It seems like it's ok to play kids in the outside backs but he'd rather play players in the halves who are fundamentally lacking the core skills to do so than give a kid a go.
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| Quote No1 Saint="No1 Saint"Easy targets. With KC if your on the outside I think your pretty much done. I've been baffled a few times this season with Lance's omissions and Jones's . It seems like it's ok to play kids in the outside backs but he'd rather play players in the halves who are fundamentally lacking the core skills to do so than give a kid a go.'"
Champion teams are first and foremost - teams. We can talk all day about skilful players, tactics, overall strategies etc. - none of this means a great deal if you aren't functioning as a tightly-knit and cohesive unit. Individualism is encouraged - but not at the expense of the overall harmony of the group.
If Lance and/or Jones are "problem players" (and we really have no idea whether they are are not) then it shouldn't come as any surprise that the coach would prefer to risk a junior with the "right attitude" than run the even greater risk of allowing potentially divisive players the opportunity to spread disharmony through action or talk.
More than perhaps any club in SL, Saints have worked incredibly hard to foster the "Right Attitude". McManus calls it the "St. Helens Way". They are absolutely right to do so because once disharmony sets in at a club it is finished as a champion outfit. Very often it can take years to overcome the damage which can be wrought by just one or two players who aren't in sync with the message.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"Champion teams are first and foremost - teams. We can talk all day about skilful players, tactics, overall strategies etc. - none of this means a great deal if you aren't functioning as a tightly-knit and cohesive unit. Individualism is encouraged - but not at the expense of the overall harmony of the group.
If Lance and/or Jones are "problem players" (and we really have no idea whether they are are not) then it shouldn't come as any surprise that the coach would prefer to risk a junior with the "right attitude" than run the even greater risk of allowing potentially divisive players the opportunity to spread disharmony through action or talk.
More than perhaps any club in SL, Saints have worked incredibly hard to foster the "Right Attitude". McManus calls it the "St. Helens Way". They are absolutely right to do so because once disharmony sets in at a club it is finished as a champion outfit. Very often it can take years to overcome the damage which can be wrought by just one or two players who aren't in sync with the message.'"
Both great lads and great pros.
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| Quote St pete="St pete"Both great lads and great pros.'"
What about their agents?
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"What about their agents?'"
Not sure on lance agent but by all accounts I beleive jones has done great job for his player.
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| Lance an easy target? Absolutely, because his performances make it very easy to target him.
If your performances leave the fans (and no doubt the coaching staff) wondering whether a young lad from the academy could do any worse, don't be surprised when you lose your place to a young lad from the academy.
We lose nothing with Lance out of the team, he is the invisible man.
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Lance an easy target? Absolutely, because his performances make it very easy to target him.
If your performances leave the fans (and no doubt the coaching staff) wondering whether a young lad from the academy could do any worse, don't be surprised when you lose your place to a young lad from the academy.
We lose nothing with Lance out of the team, he is the invisible man.'"
Apart from about 40 invisible tackles when he plays as rotation 9 which tbh is his best role in our current squad given we seem to have 0 depth in the hooking department. On the other bloke , Jones got mom one week then was dropped entirely the next by KC .. if that isn't weird way of coaching I don't know what is. If I got mom then dropped the next when I was playing I'd have been looking for a new club too.
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"
We lose nothing with Lance out of the team, he is the invisible man.'"
Think thats a bit harsh, seem to remember the last time we played Leeds he was the match winner, the last time he played in the grand final he was the "match winner".
When we play badly he is always cherry picked by the fans as the scape goat, you can doubt his creativity but in most games not his effort.
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