If we use the current situation now, Widnes are 8th and 9 points adrift of a top 4 play off place, they would have to win a minimum of 5 games out of 7, and the 4th place team would have to lose every game in the 2nd phase.

And have widens shown anything to suggest they deserve to be in contention for the grandfinal? And aren't people currently complaining that it's silly a team can lose more than they win and still be in contention for the grandfinal? We can't have it both ways!

I think thats been eradicated now by giving the first phase some value by carrying points over into the next phase. Having a top 4 play off is much better quality wise, I have never liked the top 8 play off. The interesting bit is the bottom 4 of the first 8 playing the top 4 of the second 8 to battle for the existence into the following season superleague 12.

Can we just be clear this is not the playoff formula at all.

It's a fixture formula.

They are always complex.

The playoffs is pretty clear.

I would hope that they have not moved the magic weekend due to the CC needing time to be relocated. Then we can have regular season games with the CC back in May.

Super 8's kicking off with the Magic Weekend.

Then the playoffs.

I can understand not doing it on year one as the CC will need a lot of agreement to move. But over time it makes more sense to have the Magic Weekend as the kick off to the super 8's.

4 games each day. Starting with 2 games from the middle 8. Then 2 games from the top 8.

Or they keep it just top 8 and have 2 games each day. But whether people would buy into just 2 games per day is questionable.

I don't honestly see why it is complex,you play 30 games bottom four relegated after 23 the winner of the league plays the team fourth 2nd plays third home advantage to the team that come first/second winners grand final, that is how i explain it to people simple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzBsO2O ... e=youtu.be Listen to the discussion at a fans forum this week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzBsO2O ... e=youtu.be Listen to the discussion at a fans forum this week

Nice to know that Wigan and Saints 'Weedled'(

) out of playing Derbies at Magic weekend, and that the Hull derby is 'So Stressful'