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| Quote: Don Brennan "Swifts injured aint he?'"
Not aware of any injury especially considering he hasnt played any games yet.
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| Quote: The Chair Maker "Adam Swift to fullback for me.
Reasons being.
Half back combos are built. We need to let Lomax and Gaskell to continue their eduction together. Swapping and changing halves upsets the balance and momentum of a side. All great sides have settled half backs.
Makinson needs to continue his development on the wing. I dont think he provides a long term solution to replacing Wello at fullback. Rationale being that fullback is one of the four key creative positions on the field, the others being the hooker and the two halves. Therefore you need someone with good footballing skills to play there. Swift being an halfback/fullback by trade has these skills. Makinson has only shown an ability to run reasonably quickly in a straight line, and finish in the corners. He hasnt shown a particular talent for being able to read a game well.
Makinson and Turner need to continue together to help build their understanding on the pitch.
Putting Gardner and Turner together would degrade the pace significantly on that threequarter line as Turner would need to slow down on a break to allow Gardner the opportunity to catch up. Thereby negating the advantage Turners pace gives us. Similarly opposition wingers know that Gardner cant score from any distance, this means they can double team on Turner, and take the risk that if Turner gets the ball to Gardner that one of the second rowers would be able to cover back and tackle him.'"
I like all that reasoning.
The only thing that would sway me the other way - to Lomax at #1, is that Wilkin seems to be playing as a half anyway, so if he's going to do that, we may as well give him the shirt, let Lomax take up the attacking birth out wide and let us pick an extra forward?
Really though, I long for the magic of Lomaskell to return, so would like us to work on that.
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| Lomax to FB would be a statement of intent.
Both that there are plans in place for when Wello retires and that we are looking for a controlling halfback to step in.
It's only on the rumour thread, but if Lance could find a club, then we could solve a few problems at the club by having people but for the wrong positions.
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| This is like being told it's Christmas, but that you've got to work a 12 hour shift.
Whilst it's an absolute blessing to have the corpse finally removed from the field and actually play a few games with 13 players rather than 12, the timing of it isn't exactly ideal. In fact, this happening now, when Saints are in a complete and utter shambles in most areas of the pitch, could make my assertion that Wello is absolutely terrible look a bit silly.
Whilst I have no doubt that I am right and he is terrible, it would have been better if this happened when the side was in form, particularly in attack. Whoever plays fullback will improve our attack, but it's in a side that is struggling. It wouldn't surprise me if we got slaughtered by Bradford at the weekend.
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| Jon Wilkin will be #7, with Jonny Lomax at #1.
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| Quote: Saddened! "This is like being told it's Christmas, but that you've got to work a 12 hour shift.
Whilst it's an absolute blessing to have the corpse finally removed from the field and actually play a few games with 13 players rather than 12, the timing of it isn't exactly ideal. In fact, this happening now, when Saints are in a complete and utter shambles in most areas of the pitch, could make my assertion that Wello is absolutely terrible look a bit silly.
Whilst I have no doubt that I am right and he is terrible, it would have been better if this happened when the side was in form, particularly in attack. Whoever plays fullback will improve our attack, but it's in a side that is struggling. It wouldn't surprise me if we got slaughtered by Bradford at the weekend.'"
Now if that is not backtracking whilst hedging your bets I don't know what is.
A brilliantly worded statement that will prove you to be correct no matter the outcome.
You are David Cameron and I will collect my £10.
Thank you
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| Quote: bewareshadows "A brilliantly worded statement that will prove you to be correct no matter the outcome.'"
Why thank you.
Do you get what I'm saying though? We could throw Billy Slater in that side and we would still struggle to make him look good. They need to sort out some structure in the attacking plays and a lot more movement off the ball before any fullback would be able to shine.
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| Quote: Tez the Saint "Jon Wilkin will be #7, with Jonny Lomax at #1.'"
Wilkin is not HB of any dimension
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| Quote: 175179 "Wilkin is not HB of any dimension'"
But yet he spends his time stood in our half backs way at 1st receiver and can't get involved in forward play after the 3rd tackle as he's positioning himself for a kick out of hand.
I'm not a massive fan of him being there, but I think if they'v spent a week in training with him there, he'll do ok for us in this fixture.
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| Quote: Saddened! "This is like being told it's Christmas, but that you've got to work a 12 hour shift.
Whilst it's an absolute blessing to have the corpse finally removed from the field and actually play a few games with 13 players rather than 12, the timing of it isn't exactly ideal. In fact, this happening now, when Saints are in a complete and utter shambles in most areas of the pitch, could make my assertion that Wello is absolutely terrible look a bit silly.
Whilst I have no doubt that I am right and he is terrible, it would have been better if this happened when the side was in form, particularly in attack. Whoever plays fullback will improve our attack, but it's in a side that is struggling. It wouldn't surprise me if we got slaughtered by Bradford at the weekend.'"
Have some courage in your convictions, Saddo. Sure this isn't one of those generally open ended statements you make where you can claim to be right no matter what happens, but this weekend we're playing a Bradford side with only 17 fit players, 3 of whom are hookers apparently.
We have improved slightly each week, so there is a chance that our forwards will lay enough of a platform for our backs to have some freedom, no matter how dissapointing the season opening has been.
If we're on the front foot and have either Lomax or Makinson joining the line out wide, it will cause all sorts of problems.
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "Have some courage in your convictions, Saddo. Sure this isn't one of those generally open ended statements you make where you can claim to be right no matter what happens, but this weekend we're playing a Bradford side with only 17 fit players, 3 of whom are hookers apparently.
We have improved slightly each week, so there is a chance that our forwards will lay enough of a platform for our backs to have some freedom, no matter how dissapointing the season opening has been.
If we're on the front foot and have either Lomax or Makinson joining the line out wide, it will cause all sorts of problems.'"
perhaps old Saddo has been protesting too much about Wello, and is trying to hide his love for him and his silky skills and undoubted pace?
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| Would have been an ideal time for Lance to step in and justify his wage...
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18821_1298880800.jpg [quote='Fishsta"']I've always thought of McGuire as a good player, and I wouldn't normally wish injury on any player, but there was a certain hint of poetic justice to that.
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Another classic:
[quote='Fishsta']You forgot to take off the "Saints Reduction Factor" when calculating the ban.
Standard suspension / Saints Reduction Factor = Actual ban for Saints player.
Therefore (2 / 3) = 0.666
0.666 < 1 therefore actual ban equals "less than 1 match".
Therefore ZERO.[/quote]
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| Quote: The Chair Maker "Not aware of any injury especially considering he hasnt played any games yet.'"
Cos hes injured
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| Quote: 175179 "Wilkin is not HB of any dimension'"
He's not anything of any dimension now, its a pity he doesn't disappear into another dimension.
A bit harsh I know, but I don't think he is any use nowadays apart from a bit of TV work.
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| Quote: saint at wire "He's not anything of any dimension now, its a pity he doesn't disappear into another dimension.
A bit harsh I know, but I don't think he is any use nowadays apart from a bit of TV work.'"
He's over 40 tackles a match worth of good! Without him on the pitch we'd be mullered, especially if we had to depend on lazy sods like TP and Meli for defence.
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