Wello put in more effort and commitment than the rest of them out together tonight, and if the rest cared half as much as he did, we would be a far better team. He was under so much pressure tonight it was ridiculous, and although he was poor, he was certainly not our worst out their tonight.

I dont subscribe to that, if i played for Saints i'd put in all the effort and commitment but i'd still be rubbish, the difference is i know im past it and rubbish, Wello doesnt

Disagree. I don't think he put in any more or less effort than anyone else and he was just as rubbish as everyone else. He was a great last line of defence. How many tries did they score again? I don't think he was anywhere near the attackers for any of them was he?

We didn't have a leader on the park. This doesn't need to be the caprain but obvuously this helps. Its in reality someone who stands proud, rallies those around them and as necessary uses their last breath to make things happen. There was too many players left that field tis evening with fuel keft in the tank, each one of those could have been the leader. Every one of thise players with a breath left in theiir lungs should be thiroughly ashamed if themselves.

Did I miss somethimg?

Fwiw Brough was outstanding all last season and was criminally overlooked for england

but when you get Sinfield getting the golden boot there is no chance....

You have a problem with so called club 'greats' influencing far too much. They got rid of Millward and Simmons and Purtill. Get rid before it kills you.

Far too early for the predictable knee-jerking, gents.

Huddersfield won their cup final and we were caught cold - it happens. It's going to take time for the halves to shake of the Rusht (did you see what I did there?

) and for the rest of our young backs to find their feet together, and time is something we have plenty of. As always I'll start getting a bit worried if we're still misfiring in June, not before.

I think the majority know it's just one game, but after having expectations so heavily dashed , there is bound to be as passionate a response from fans as there was a lack of physical effort from the players.

You don't fork out over £200 and then see that and think about what will happen in September, you worry that you have just burned up £200.

There was an element of complacency from the start and our forwards expected an easy game given what happened in the friendly. That is criminal for a professional team.

The half-backs were not the main problem, but they did not help matters with poor ball options time and time again. Lomax kept hitting that x ball when really he should be putting it out the back and giving our 3/4s more of a chance. Gaskell did not touch the ball in the first half except for when he was kicking.

Defence was appalling - not sure why after two solid defensive efforts in the friendlies. A lot of players were getting the basics wrong - i.e. grabbing and not using their shoulders, not moving up and meeting the ball carrier etc: BASICS

I'm not overly worried tbh, it was one game were everything that could have gone wrong did so. Give credit to the Giants, they played superb.

I really cannot see us playing the same way next week as the players need a good rollicking and hopefully they get one. It was a player issue tonight, rather than a coaching one.

Did you notice are forwards was getting in at 1st receiver at times and ball handling ?