We won two, drew one and lost four. Just to make sure you are reporting things accurately.

Sacking him hasn't changed anything though, has it? We were just the same against Wigan as we were against Hull and Bradford, only against Hull and Bradford our defence was better.

i'm more and more convinced you're a troll

Hmm. That's because you're incapable of reflection.

Trollop would be more appropriate.

its you're perceived inability to see both sides of any argument or that there is any position other than yes or no to any subject that leads me to my conclusion. You must be on the wind up most of the time at least

And you have totally discounted any credit for the Leeds and Wire games. Like I said 2 wins from 3. So basically your arguement is based on one result against Wigan and you say I'm fiddling the numbers. Fine 2.5 out of 7 compared to 2 from 3.

If you give this team a chance then by the next wigan game they will have had 7 games same as Royce and KP. Then we can see how the results pan out.

I just wanted to capture that.

Translation: SaintsFan disagrees with me so she must be a troll. She's also willing to defend her position. Gosh. Definitely a troll.

Yes, because Leeds were total crap! They had no defence. They have lost their following two games. They could end up losing to London, something even we didn't do. Warrington gave us the bloody first half. Two of our tries came from their stupid offloads!

I kept my head when everyone around (bar one or two) were losing theirs. It looks like what I suspected it to be: the team is the problem and not the coaching staff. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Thank you as I thought, you just take the evidence you want and bin the rest. Fine.

Please please please never do jury duty. Other than that please continue with the one eyed postings.

I never said it was a change that would last from the Leeds and Wire games, but neither am I going to take one result to try and justify the opposite. You have not kept your head, you have just lost it in the opposite direction to everyone else.

Personally I'm waiting on a few more games before making a judgement on the new set up. But I'm not going to discount the Wigan result just as I'm not going to discount the other 2 results, maybe that's because I don't have a specific point I'm desperately trying to prove one way or the other.

I've been thoroughly consistent. I said after the Leeds game that Leeds offered no resistence. I said after the wire game that (a) their offloads were ridiculous and that we wobbled in the second half. I have been one of the few to see ALL the evidence, not just the pie in the sky wishful thinking evidence.


And you are taking all views into consideration?

Good for you.

And I'll say now that I wouldn't be at all surprised if we beat Cas. Do you know why I think that? Because Millward is fielding a team chock full of u20s and since their defence is not the best anyway, it is very likely the match will be another training ground exercise for us. Great if we win; that's another two points in the bag. But I won't be doing handstands if we do.

I just wanted to put my cards on the table so that I can be judged accordingly.