what would your starting 13's be then?

I do see him becoming a prop but would need to be spelled more if playing prop as he misses tackles when he gets tired.

This will prob be the softest saints pack I've seen since I first watched saints.

I wouldnt use him every week as a prop I would only use him as a prop if we had injuries

It looks fine on paper, apart from we're a man light in the front row given Jammer did the work of 2 for the last five years plus Laffranchi isn't a front rower.

But what you have to factor in is our recent record with injuries. It's not coincidence. We've carrying players like Perry and Wheeler who quite frankly shouldn't really be counted as they will spend more time injured than available and when they are fit they're always 'coming back' from one injury or another so they're never really fit.

Try taking the usual (Over the past 3 years anyway) 8 or 9 out and it doesn't look so nice. Particularly the front row where injuries to say LMS and TP would ravage us.

Quote St pete="St pete"Perry - always injured TP - can be lazy LMS - I have serious doubts if he's good enough to be first choice prop. Magennis - always injured'" Oh Saddened you've hacked Pete. LMS is as good if not better than Wood, Magennis or Cooper? True Perry was basically money down the drain last year, but so was Sia the year before, who we all seam to think was pretty good last year. As for TP Quote St pete="St pete"I know what ya mean. Tony p is a very rare style prop. He's massive, athletic, mobile and great hands. Graham will be a big loss tho.'" Quote St pete="St pete"I'd agree with that. The best signing for 2012 is TP.'" viewtopic.php?f=18&t=493870 He's not that lazy now give pete back his profile.

Quote St pete="St pete"Perry - always injured TP - can be lazy LMS - I have serious doubts if he's good enough to be first choice prop. Magennis - always injured'" Oh Saddened you've hacked Pete. LMS is as good if not better than Wood, Magennis or Cooper? True Perry was basically money down the drain last year, but so was Sia the year before, who we all seam to think was pretty good last year. As for TP Quote St pete="St pete"I know what ya mean. Tony p is a very rare style prop. He's massive, athletic, mobile and great hands. Graham will be a big loss tho.'" Quote St pete="St pete"I'd agree with that. The best signing for 2012 is TP.'" viewtopic.php?f=18&t=493870 He's not that lazy now give pete back his profile.

LMS is not a patch on wood.

I'm just worried age has caught up with TP. He didn't have great end of season but I'll give him the benifit of the doubt as he was just back from a pretty bad injury.

I'm just worried who's going to help with the work rate we've lost with Graham gone. TP and perry certainly can't get anywhere hear the levels of work Graham did.

At first I'd be inclined to agree, but by the end of the season, LMS was turning in some very good performances. I like wood, but I wouldn't swap him for Louie at the moment.

Regard the work rate, Jammer was a freak, but hopefully the collective will contribute as a whole to help make up for his departure.

I think that's a tad harsh:

Appearances:
LMS 24 Wood 24

Tries:
LMS 7 Wood 5

Metres:
LMS 2,672 Wood 2,631

Carries:
LMS 348 Wood 372

Metres per carry:
LMS 7.67 Wood 7.07

Tackles:
LMS 675 Wood 618

Offloads:
LMS 9 Wood 43

Tackle Busts:
LMS 31 Wood 18

There is really only offloads where Wood tops LMS statistically and there is an arguement that is caused by Warrington's more adventurous tactics.

LMS is a fine player who will be the one IMO to step up and fill some of the void left by Jammer. Certainly won't be Laffranchi as he's no front rower.

Who are you, and what have you done with Saddened?

It may only be one game, but Laffranchi was named at prop for the 2005 Grandfinal victory for West Tigers.

Paul Wellens played on the wing in an international versus Australia once too.

Laffranchi is the kind of player you can throw into the front row in an emergency, but he's going to have to bang on some timber to survive there all season.

Touche, but he obvisouly [ican[/i do it and I, like others, am tempted to believe he'll fit the "heavy" 13 role well.

Indeed he would. But what on earth happens when LMS and TP go off for a rest? Clough and Maggenis as the front row?