And really from the props listed above only perry and Lms are out and out props. The rest are or was backrows.

I do feel we need a good rough prop to finish of a pretty good pack. He don't have to be a world beater but acgood hard working rough prop would be ideal.

It's one of the worst injuries an RL player could suffer. As mentioned on an earlier thread, if it is the arm he uses to fend he may not even be able to come back.

He'll defo be back as it will heal but how he plays is another thing.

1. Makinson
2. Gardner
3. Shenton
4. Wheeler
5. Foster

6. Gaskell
7. Lomax

8. Perry
9. Roby
10. Puletua
11. Soliola
12. Wilkin
13. Laffrinchi

14. Clough
15. LMS
16. Flanaghan
17. Hohaia

1. Wellens/Lomax

2. Gardner/Makinson
3. Shenton
4. Meli/Wheeler
5. Foster/Meli

6. Wheeler/Gaskell/Lomax
7. Hohaia/Lomax

8. Perry
9. Roby
10. Laffranchi
11. Soliola
12. Flanagan/Flannery
13. Wilkin

14. Clough
15. TP
16. LMS
17. Flannery/Flanagan

Looking good in the backs with loads of options, [ipotentially[/i great in the halves, and immensely strong but paper-thin depthwise in the pack. 3 or 4 injuries in the forwards and we're in trouble - a prop and preferrably another backrower needs to step up from somewhere.

Not that it will happen, how about

1. Makinson
2. Gardner
3. Wheeler
4. Shenton
5. Foster
6. Gaskell
7. Lomax
8. Perry
9. Roby
10. Tony P
11. Wilkin
12. Soliola
13. Laffranchi

14. Lance Hohaia/Flash Flanaghan
15. LMS
16. Clough
17. Ned Flanders/Francis Meli

Dixon as backrow reserve
Forster for front row

I think Lomaskell will benifit a lot from a full off season and we should see an improved variety of moves to both sides of the pitch.

I'd like to see:

Wellens
Makinson
Shenton
Meli
Foster
Hohaia
Lomax
Perry
Roby
Puletua
Wilkin
Soliola
Laffranchi

Flanagan
LMS
Clough
Gaskell/Wheeler

Wellens has been assured of captaincy for 2012 so will play.

Laffranchi starting at 13 can also be used in front row, as can Clough which will be useful for rotation.

Hohaia's versatility in the backs or at 9 is a brilliant asset and means we can rotate to give Gaskell enough game time to continually develop, but cant see us signing Lance to be a bench player

Will also leave likes of Dixon, Magennis, Gardner etc as cover players providing competition which can only be a plus, lets just hope Josh Perry manages to earn his money from playing rather than laying on the treatment table or warming the bench this year

It happened to scott gibbs and it didn't keep him out that long iirc.
Mind you, i remeber it happening to gary chambers ina game against us and it was horrific.
Obviously many of us will remember Cunninghams injury he got playing aginst the kiwis.

Cunningham's was worse because didn't he break the bone as well as dislocate it?

I think you're right.

A quick look at Gibbs on the heritage site suggests he was injured on 15th Feb and didn't play again that season (which ended on 14th May). He played in a pre season friendly against Hull on 6th August.

It all depends on how far it was put out of joint and if there is any muscular/tendon damage.It looked bad on the tv but we wont know until the club tell us how bad it is.

Has he had an op, or was it just reset? This seems like the sort of injury that once it happens, almost invariably happens again.