Leeds lost impetus with the change of Buderus for McShane, and in reality never recovered. I think Sinfield is a superb player but he had one of those games last night where nothing went right for him.

Rob Burrow seems to be a shadow of his former self, for whatever reason. It's a shame because he is a great lad and has been a superb player.

I don't think I've ever seen a team throw so many flat/forward passes than Leeds do this year.

Webb looks like he's playing NFL this year.

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There were a few thrown from both sides last night. It's something that needs looking at as it's happening in almost every game and from every team.

I'm not saying we didn't throw some forward but this year Leeds are playing so flat almost every pass looks forward.

The was one set of 6 on Friday by Leeds that nearly every pass could have been given as forward pass.

Webb doesn't seem able to pass backwards when at acting half back.

Webb really needs to concentrate on his own game rather than constantly whining about every decision/tackle to the ref

Also pushing the player as they play the ball. They got pulled for it on one occasion but were doing it all the way through the game.

Slightly off topic but it was something we were discussing at the scholarship/academy games on Saturday.

What's with this "flick" pass that al players seem to be attempting these days, Cudjoes pass to Lawrence for his try against Saints being a prime example.

Can players no longer pass the ball to either side with two hands?

Brilliant bit of skilfull play in my book. That's the sort of stuff that excites fans and gets more through the gates.

He took a knock early on, limped for a bit and then went hiding after.

I won't deny that it's skilful, but unless he struggles to pass off his left hand then why even try it in that situation?

Not being able to pass of both hands isn't new in the British game - I can rememebr Andy Gregory, Tony Smith and Sean Long all switching hands to pass off their 'stronger' hand in international matches in the past, a shocking state of affairs for some of our leading halfbacks of the last 20 years.

I have a bit of a theory re this, and that if you flick pass, you do so with the back of your hand in front of the ball. That makes it a lot more natural to pass the ball backwards when running with the ball.
Holding a ball to pass the traditional way, involves moving both hands to the front of the body which alters your of gravity, this unbalances the ball carrying runner, and also has a far greater chance of being passed forward.

Did anyone else hear the Saints fan in the crowd, i think it was the 38th minute, the rest of the crowd must have been having a drink cos it had gone a bit quite, and this guy shouts out " THERE ALL OFFSIDE YOU BELLEND".
Proper made me laugh, but the guy was right.
At the beginning of the season I didn't rate any of Saints young lads,but they've made me change my mind, especially Lomax, he is a very good player.

I did, given the thread on the tiff between Graham and Wilkin, when I watched the game again I couldn't believe it hadn't been mentioned.

Its not something new I don't think but it is something that seems to be becoming more and more common since Jamie Lyon and Benji Marshall started doing it on a regular basis. I suppose young players are going to try and immitate their heroes.

On Leeds, well we're a shambles at the moment. No pace in the backs, no grunt up front and no brain cells on the coaching staff. The half backs are almost non existant because they have zero platform to work from. The biggest problem for me is their inability to control the ruck with and without the ball.