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I have to admit Eastmond is easily the best of the youth coming through super league and has the potential to be world class I really enjoy watching him play and I hope from an English point of view he continues to progress, shame we haven’t got him icon_smile.gif

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I think Dixon had a decent game yesterday too. I don't see the hype around Wheeler being justified though, he's solid but no more. I don't see anything in Ashurst to explain his presence in the squad. Where was Fozzard again?

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Quote: Bill_Barlow "So hes the best out the 2 because he helped you scrape a win against the bottom side in the league, Sam got the MOM the other week or has that result been put to the back of your mind already? Sam has in no way been that impressive this year but to declare Eastmond as another class is absolute bollox.'"


How Sam Tomkins got MOM against us is beyond me.

But, they are both class players. The thing that probably gives Eastmond an edge is his electric pace. You can't teach that.

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Quote: Blobbynator "How Sam Tomkins got MOM against us is beyond me.'"

They won and we didn't? I can't think of any other reason.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Codarmysaint "When him and Tomkins burst on the scene, the wigan fans would always declare Tomkins the better player. Now its totally obvious that Tomkins isnt in the class of Eastmond, you watch the wigan fans now declare "Eastmond and Tomkins are the 2 best young halfbacks around"

He was outstanding yesterday'"


Tomkins was miles better than Eastmond in the derby game. Tomkins has pulled of quite a few bits of magic this year. Both have been great. Eastmond has made a much bigger improvement on last year than Tomkins though.

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Quote: SaintsFan "They won and we didn't? I can't think of any other reason.'"


But he wasn't even the best Wigan player on the day icon_confused.gif

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Quote: Saddened! "Just utterly outstanding. That try was just utterly sensational, his footwork and balance is the best I've ever seen from a Saints academy product and he is easily one of the most talented players I've ever seen. If you watch that try again look how quick the change of hands is after skinning the fullback. His goalkicking is also pretty ruthless.

Just a 'wow' player and IMO the only one in Super League now Burgess has gone up to bigger and better things. I just hope we get to see this kid in his prime playing in the V.'"


Based on your comments last week, he's a bit of an "up and down" player, then?

"That had nothing to do with Wigan. He's been like that a few times this season. He's learning his trade and he didn't have a good stand off beside him."

Whilst I agree Eastmond is a great player already, I would find it a bit worrying if his performances fluctuated so much. Or, are you willing to now agree that he actually played very well against us but we kept him under wraps?

Easily your most dangerous player, which is as much his disadvantage as it is his advantage. Much like Jamie Lyon, you know where the big "game breaker" is going to try and come from.

However, to now discount Tomkins as a "Wow" player brings your objectiveness into question.

Quote: Saddened! "Eastmond is standing out above Tomkins at the minute because he is standing out for your men, whereas Tomkins is being outshone by a lot of his team-mates (including his brother) who are all in good form, although he's hardly been rubbish. I think that Eastmond is easily the better physical athlete out of the two. You can tell that just by looking at him. But in terms of rugby league skills such as distribution and kicking there really isn't anything between them'"


I wouldn't disagree with much of that. The difference I see between Tomkins and Eastmond is that Tomkins is the better tackler, whilst Eastmond is the better attacker, and that comes a lot from his speed out of the blocks. It's not that he's a super-fast player, it's that he can go from 0 to full tilt VERY quickly, and that makes him difficult to defend against, especially with his excellent side step. That's not to say Tomkins doesn't know how to break a line, he just needs slightly more space to execute it.

My focus is still on seeing the pair of them work as a combination for GB. We have GOT to give it a go.

Quote: Saddened! "So hes the best out the 2 because he helped you scrape a win against the bottom side in the league, Sam got the MOM the other week or has that result been put to the back of your mind already? Sam has in no way been that impressive this year but to declare Eastmond as another class is absolute bollox.'"


Quite right, there is no "other class" between these two, they are in the SAME class.

Quote: Saddened! "How Sam Tomkins got MOM against us is beyond me.

But, they are both class players. The thing that probably gives Eastmond an edge is his electric pace. You can't teach that.'"


Your first line is laughable, the rest is exactly as I said up there. Tomkins got man of the match because he provided a lot of our attack and muscled up in defence, and played a big part in keeping Cunningham, Roby AND Eastmond very very quiet.

Although to be fair, since he gifted us about 80 metres of territory and 6 points from penalty kicks, Wilkin should probably have got MOM.

Quote: Saddened! "Tomkins was miles better than Eastmond in the derby game. Tomkins has pulled of quite a few bits of magic this year. Both have been great. Eastmond has made a much bigger improvement on last year than Tomkins though.'"


Sums it up nicely. Tomkins got young player of the year last year and deservedly so, this year I reckon Eastmond would win it.

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By the way, nice little nod to Charlie Brooker in the thread title.

And did anybody else see the Sky Text typo?

No screen grabs. Sorry. Carlos.

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Tomkins does MORE tackles (mainly because Eastmond is occasionally shunted into positions where he doesn't need to do as much - such as FB), but this does not mean he is a BETTER tackler than Eastmond.

As far as missed tackles go there doesn't seem to be any difference.

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Tomkins and Eastmond are both great young players who compliment each other and i'd love to see them both in the Redvee with Leon at fullback icon_wink.gif

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Quote: No1 Saint "Tomkins and Eastmond are both great young players who compliment each other and i'd love to see them both in the Redvee with Leon at fullback
I'd like to see the same at Wigan but with Amos at fullback. Dam that would be awesome to watch icon_wink.gif

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See, my original post on the first page was proved right

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Codarmysaint "See, my original post on the first page was proved right'"


I even replied to it because it was just silly.

They are both good players. I don't see what the problem is. You seem to think I am saying that as a lie and I actually think Eastmond is better icon_rolleyes.gif

Tomkins won the young player of the year award last year, he didn't win it for no reason. He won that award over Eastmond. This year I clearly stated that Eastmond has made a bigger improvement on last season than Tomkins has. Maybe that is because he is playing every game at 7 though.

I would love Wigan to sign Eastmond and you would be stupid to not be happy if saints signed Tomkins.

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Quote: Codarmysaint "When him and Tomkins burst on the scene, the wigan fans would always declare Tomkins the better player. Now its totally obvious that Tomkins isnt in the class of Eastmond, you watch the wigan fans now declare "Eastmond and Tomkins are the 2 best young halfbacks around"

He was outstanding yesterday'"


Actually, we've said that from the beginning.

What we HAVEN'T said is that Eastmond's in a "different class" or that he's "far better" than Tomkins. Because he isn't.

Where he is now isn't a million miles from where Danny Orr was at Castleford.

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Can Eastmond organise and direct a pack around the pitch?

To me he seems very one man band, his speed and balance are phenomenal, reminds me of Matt Bowen.

Don't think scrum half is his position in all honesty, plenty of years left to find out though.

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