Sadly, at the minute, I agree with the crust muncher. We may have only lost by 14 points, but lets face, it were rubbish. Yes, the Goons were crap too, but that shouldn't be allowed to paper over the cracks, and admit that right now, we are poor. Only was we admit that, can we begin the process of regaining our former position. If we keep deluding ourselves that we are "nearly there", then we will return to the nearly men days before Super League.

Totally agree. You don't get anywhere by behaving like an ostrich.

You also don't get anywhere by assuming that the whole team has gone to pot. 2 bad coaches and a scaled back recruitment policy leaves us where we are. Not good, but nowhere near as bad as many on here believe!!!

On Saturday the whole team DID go to pot! Did you not watch the game? The only redeeming feature of the match in my view was that our youngest player showed up most of the senior players by actually upping his game in a big match. He was great to watch. The rest were frankly dismal, and we were missing only two senior players so there was absolutely no excuse for that showing.

thats about the sum of it

As I actually pointed out , if you had bothered to read, our current plight is down to awful coaching. These players have got us to consecutive Grand finals. They are not bad players, They have just been badly coached.

That's what you choose to believe. I believe differently, but I chose not to respond to that particular point. However, you have reiterated your point.

As St Pete said last week, if the team cannot motivate itself for a derby match against Wigan then it is a poor showing indeed. Two players did motivate themselves: Wello and Makinson. The rest didn't really turn up at all.
Wello and Makinson have been coached by the same coaches as the rest of the team and so I don't see how the coaches are the problem, other than in the present case they are inexperienced and shouldn't actually be in charge at all.

That's pathetic even by your standards.

The rest of your post was just garbage so I'm not responding. You aint worth the effort.

That's pretty much what everyone else on here feels about you.

Besides you should show some respect to your elders. I have forgotten more about rugby league than you will ever know.

Good post.

With some very good coaching by Brown, and a few squad tweaks, we'll be back where we belong at the top

The squad tweaks are not minor, though.

We've two, possibly three, positions that simply must be filled with proven quality. That said, I'm confident Brown is a superb acquisition and there are not many I'd have chosen before him.

A fairly poor Wigan performance high in errors was 14 points better than a Saints side that was completing sets and had a lot of possession close to our line but looked clueless as to how to get over it. I'd argue that was our worst performance of the season, bar Hudds at home on the first day. We had a couple more gears and if some of the half-chances had stuck we'd have put another 20-30 points on you.

ok, not so minor, a proper halfback and a fullback, and a proper prop!