Hang on - are people now suggesting Tasi's a step [ibackwards [/ifrom Mose?

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Crying out for top class prop. Strangely saints also feel we need a prop and last out to 3/4 for next year.

I know Peyroux is to replace Josh Jones but we are replacing squad players. We should be looking a better quality of players who will put pressure on the current first grade players to perform.

The 17 picks it's self as you suggest but that Imo is a bad thing as coaches need healthy competition.

I'll put money on that 17 next year winning zero.

Jesus were not even out of the running for this year and you're already writing us off for next year.

Jones puts absolutely no pressure on the centres this year, and Peyroux will next year, that's an improvement - If he turns to be of similar quality to Quinlan, than Turner may find himself moving as I suggested. SMD can also play in the 3/4s and adds some pressure - and Grace and Wellington will probably be looking for a game or two next year as well. When you compare that to Dawson this year it's an infinite improvement.

Savelio moving to the front row seems like the current plan and he certainly came of age last week. Him, Thompson, Richards and Greenwood are all going to get better and better, and Haggerty is an unknown in this. Davies and Knowles again will be looking to push through and anyone who doesn't perform will see them nipping at the heels. TRex was also rumoured, though I'm not a fan, he'd be an infinite improvement on Flanagan in terms of ability.

Will still have room for another relatively big signing I believe and KC said there's another one to come in, we're not as bad as some people seem to believe.

Has Marvin The Paranoid Android hacked this forum?

Hilarious!

Can I ask where you have seen Peyroux play and how many times ? I imagine you've been to the games and seen jones the last three seasons?

Just wondered how you can compare?

Also, how many u19s games have you attended this year ? (Or you going is saints website game reports) ?

You wanted us to sign Clare from Cas few month back, im pretty sure that couid happen as nobody wants him next year

Clare signed for Bradford and most Cas fans were very disappointed he didn't get more chances in front of Channing and Gibson but hey ho.

Given Long will have worked with Peyroux in the Samoa set up last year for the 4N I'm trusting him to be far more aware than anyone on here to be able to compare and contrast him with Jones. The fact he was selected for the Cook Islands (I think) for the 2013 World Cup and then the 2014 Samoa team aren't bad credentials at all to have, and are seemingly completely ignored by those already desperate to write off Peyroux as a signing before ever seeing him. You know the same that happened with Vea last year. Wondering how you think that Peyroux is a terrible player and still repeatedly be involved with international setups - it's not like Samoa were uncompetitive.

As for the 19s, you're the one saying Grace is getting a first team contract next year. It's standard practice at saints for a player to have his debut 1 year, 5-7 games next, 10-15 the year after and then full first grade after that.

This in danger of becoming "I'm a better fan than you" so I'm gonna leave it there.

Who gives a damn about who's seen who? Will the answer make Peyroux a better or worse player?

The only question that matters is - has the club seen Peyroux?

It appears so. What's more, it appears they are more than happy to give him a contract - [ias the replacement for a player who has only ever been a replacement.[/i

Oh, and offering to bet money AGAINST your OWN CLUB is bad.

I've not once said Peyroux is terrible. Can you please show me where I wrote this please?

We tried very hard to keep jones. If Jones has signed then we wouldn't be signing Peyroux so that suggests to me that we rate jones higher than Peyroux.

I'm pretty sure I was told he's played 3 games for samoa which isn't enough time to see how good he is really is it ?

I hope he turns out to be a world beating player but his record doesn't look great tho, I'm sure you'd agree on that ? You can get lucky with these types but if he's half decent Id imagine he'd be playing for someone in the NRL wouldn't he?

The team you've picked earlier in the thread contains players that you have posted need another year next year as still only 20 yrs of age. What makes them suddenly good enough to play week in week out in 2016 ?

I'm just not very excited with what we brought in so far for 2016. Tasi will be o ok replacement for Mose as he will give us more game time but not the impact mose "can" give but I'm ok with tasi for mose.

I'm not thrilled with Peyroux for jones but only time will tell on this one. We've also lost lance, wello and flash that also need replacing. They might have not been the force they once was but they are experinced players that have there and done it.

Id like a good 3/4 added who can attack but more importantly I think we need a good hard experinced prop.

a) Jones has become and out and out pack man rather than a centre/ utility. The club tried hard to keep him, but it's entirely possible we'd of still brought Peryoux in, with Jones taking Flanagans spot. My point is more Peyroux would have never played for Samoa if he wasn't any good. I think Saints have clearly changed their tact in signings recently, and so far they've been proven right regardless of what's written online before hand, I trust that the right people have seen enough to have made this judgement. Peyroux may well be that 3/4 you want.

b) I think the club now has the intention of: Amor, Walmsley, Tasi, Savelio, Richards, Haggerty (and Nzongou). Who is available who could have performed better than Savelio in the semi? Good enough = old enough as the saying goes.

c) that doesn't mean we don't need to bring someone else in - and the club has said so. We will sign another player this year - but I don't expect a superstar, as cap will still be tight (losing 100k due to the removal of various allowances, walsh no longer being split with Penrith, major upgrades to several youngsters), but another solid signing is expected as far as I'm concerned. Whether that's Trex (God help us) and Savelio as a front rower, or whether we've found a front rower (Kopczak still hasn't committed to anyone, or were breaking the transfer fee record to bring the ginger home ) and Savelio will be moving wider next year I don't know.

d) the only player in the team I posted earlier who was 20 was Savelio, and he was the best player we had just about on Friday? Him, Greenwood, Thompson, Percival and Richards have all played enough this year to be considered solid first team members, despite their age

e) more than happy to accept we haven't made any superstar signings this year, I'm excited to see Percival, Thompson, Savelio, Greenwood start to push for England, and Walmsley and Makinson to really shine as superstars. Hopefully the academy will throw up the next few gems as well. Surely that's better than a broken superstar from the NRL whose as likely to flop as be brilliant? Maybe the club feels like it's been burnt one too many times like that before?

I don't think I've ever said that? The team only needs 2/3 of them in the side each week, which would leave them each on about 20 games next season which is in line with where 3rd season kids need to be. They still need some management, but should be getting closer and closer to permanent members - the debate is when the training wheels come off I suppose. I think we're near enough to agreeing, 1 more signing, who is more solid than spectacular and we're all set to go!

I think we have a lot of players who will be better next year than they are this year, and are stronger with just the same group of players! One year we might even get lucky with injuries and now be in constant crisis! Hopefully Walsh can recapture some first season form (and defence) in the off season (but that's a whole other debate!) and burns can find some attacking fluency as a result. The only qualm I have is why we gave Dawson another 2 years (and who will be first choice fullback)!

I have been trying to remember who Peyroux reminds me of. A leggy runner with a big upper body build.

It has just occurred to me Tawera Nikau.

I think he is a good player and someone I have liked while watching the Warriors. A good signing by the club.

But he doesn't play? I've taped every Warriors game since he was rumoured to be joining us and he's not played once. I've watched several before that to see how Tomkins was getting on and again he wasn't there. I can find some vague references to him him playing from the bench sometime in early 2014, but that's about it.

A lad I know who spends a lot of time in Australia reckons he's a slow version of Gelling.

The Warriors are the only NRL team in New Zealand. That's the kind of monopoly which makes even Brisbane fans slightly envious. Given the enormous competition for first team places I imagine there are a ton of players who'll never play a single game and yet could easily do a job in SL.



What does that make Josh Jones?

Just put record on the Warriors v dragons tomorrow to see Peyroux.