But you haven't lost this season have you? Ok you got lucky with that today but you played to the last seconds of extra time and came out of it with a point. As said it is better to have 5pts out of 6 at this stage of the season.

Whilst I didn't go today, I think the obvious fact that Wello is playing his first game of the season on the back of a return from injury would be a factor.

I don't think it was a simple case of Tommy getting dropped, more a case of giving Wello a game to help get his match fitness back in the same way that Royce has done with several other players thus far this season.

It's great that we can do that this year given the depth of un-injured players we have in the squad, especially if it means we can keep the squad fresh.

Either of those sides on top form would have done, but as it happens Wigan have already been spanked at home by a depleted Huddersfield and Warrington have also drawn an away match on Humberside. There's always a degree of rustiness at the start of the season, and that applies to everyone.

There's no doubt that there's a lot of work to be done, but we're equal top of the league after three matches (two of them away from home). That's not a bad place to be.

Five points from a possible six is great but we look a little more than rusty. When I saw the fixture list for the season, I thought we had a pretty easy start compared to other teams.I thought today might have been a tough one but the fact they had the players missing I'd expected us to take both points.

I'm not impressed by anything I've seen from us this year apart from James roby.

We never look like world-beaters at the start of the season, in fact for the most part we always struggle especially against the teams we would be expected to beat, but that's the advantage of playing those teams at this stage, we can play poorly and still get the results and then move up a gear when we get to the likes of Wigan, Warrington and Leeds.

Lets not forget Warrington failed to impress against Hull FC and drew, and Wigan failed to beat an understrength Huddersfield side. That they have since put impressive scorelines on London and Bradford respectively is of little consequence, they may have done the same to Salford & Hull KR but they may also have struggled. There have been three other teams involved in Saints' matches this season and whilst our performances may have failed to impress it's also about how the opposition performs.

The facts are simple, at the moment we've got 5 points from 6, are joint top points scorers with Huddersfield, and are second in the league only on points difference. I think that's enough of a statement that we are a 'top team' after 3 games. Our defence will improve once we have a settled line-up and players reach full fitness.

Hull away and hudds away is a tough start to the season for Warrington and much harder than out start. We've played possibly two sides that will finish in the bottom three and a injury hit hull kr team.

The is being rusty due to lack of match practice and the is playing crap and st the moment we are both.

We will need to improve dramatically over the next few weeks as we've got tough games and on current form will be lucky to win.

I don't usually knee jerk but from what I've seen so far, I'm worried. Against Widnes, London and Salford we looked poor, haven't seen Hull KR as of yet but that sounded poor too. Hopefully we're starting slowly, at the minute we aren't looking like a top 4 side at all.

I'm not worried about the backs or half backs (bar wello) they're good enough to compete at the top of superleague. Its not our backrow either, with Flanaghan, wilkin and Sia and others we're fine. Its certainly not our 9. Its the props. apart from Tony P i cant see a top class one at all

All the doom and gloom from taking 5 points from a possible 6 is beyond me! Paul Wellens is probably the best full back that super league has ever seen. Perhaps, just perhaps that Saints fans do not give credit to Hull Kingston Rovers? A fantastic game of rugby league with the result a very fair result in the end. St Helens fans are very unbiased as a whole and appriciate good rugby, take todays point as a point won and give credit to the players who put their bodies on the line for the shirt they love, both the players and the supporters of both clubs are a credit to rugby league!

I knew we'd struggle at prop when jammer went and we didn't replace him with a quality prop. It's pretty clear we couldn't find a prop as good as jammer but we should have tried to get the best available instead of sticking a guy that's played 2nd row for past 12 years and expect him to slot in as a top class prop.

I think we have a problem in the halves l if Gaskell don't play or if Gaskell don't get involved when he's playing. Lomax ain't a out and out halfback and seems to want to step inside and run when it should be moved out wide and same goes for hohaia as he's not a out and out halfback either.

I think the strange recruitment of not replacing players with players that play in that postion we come back to bite us on the booty.

I went to the match.

To be brutally frank, we were poor in attack as well as defence (the scoreline speaks to the latter). We were way too lateral again and very predictable. Our props were soft again with only Soliola taking the ball forward. However, he blotted his copybook in the second half by giving away two penalties, one of which a few tackles later was a try by them. Wello shouldn't have been on the field even though he scored (thanks to some nifty footwork by Hohaia). He dropped one across the line, dropped a bomb which led to a try and was all over the place. There were some seriously stupid passes going on, including from Robes, and one went into touch.

From my own POV our performance today looked like one of attitude, much as the one we put out against Quins at home last year was. We missed Gaskell and we missed Makinson. We could do with two props because clearly neither TP nor Perry want to do the job they are paid to do.

The only two players who stood out for me this time were Soliola (until the penalties) and Wheeler (who wasn't on all that long as he was the back on the bench but he looked fantastic when he was on and it was a real shame he wasn't brought on for the second half - in the halves).

I'm not doom and gloom though because we were even worse last year. Whether we will improve as we did last year remains to be seen but regardless of that with the players we had in the team we should have won by a comfortable margin and let in fewer than half the points we shipped.

Good honest post without making excuses for saints and I totally agree!

Well done for going; I'm ashamed to admit I could only listen to it on the radio and even with mersysided bias we sounded just as you described.

A lot of peole on here are saying the pack was the weak link; the commentary didn't back that up - it was mistakes at centre and the wings e.g grubber kicks and high balls (as well as a few howlers from wello) where there tries cam; not through the middle.

I'm glad Wheeler did well in his short stint - although many don't agree with me on here (tony s etc), I still believe he is our long term SO and has never had a poor game there.

Just watched the highlights on Super League Fulltime and I have to say it showed Wellens in a very poor light. One KR try in particular showed just how slow he is now, it looked like he was running through treacle. He was also arriving late to 2 other tries, which had he been in the correct position may not have been scored. His Achilles injury seems to have taken even more pace away from him, which he couldn't afford.

The sentimentality with Wellens has gone too far now, he's past it. He was a great Full Back in his prime but sadly he isn't up to the job anymore, I'll stick my neck out and say (judging only by the highlights) that had Makinson been playing FB today we would have won. I'm not saying Wellens cost us the game, but he certainly cost us a couple of tries with his slow slow running.

I thought it was disgraceful that Flannery started over Dixon and a travesty that Wheeler was on the bench, arguably our two best players last week. Just because a player takes up a quota spot shouldn't automatically guarantee his selection in the team. Both Wheeler and Dixon should have started today, the reports are that Wheeler looked very good in his short spell and a real threat, again could he have made the difference? Gaskell will be back from injury next week so it will be interesting what happens there.

So you say if it wasnt for Wellens today you would have won??? Dont be silly, maybe Hull KR were pretty good in attack? How you can blame Wellens for a draw today is quite frankly rediculous! You didnt lose!!!!!!!!! Your forwards were the reason you did not win today, out played by the KR pack, god help you if Hull KR had Dobson, Green and Galea playing, you would have hung Wellens from the nearest lampost! You were not playing Swinton today, maybe Hull Kingston Rovers are quite a good team, up there in the top 6!