He's been playing for around 10 weeks now, roughly the length of pre season. He didn't have a pre season so I'll take this as his and will judge him from what he does onwards from now, even so I think he's had a lot of uncalled for criticism.

Also, whilst Vea was his opposite number in terms of shirts, he was playing in the second row so you can't really compare the two.

I can understand what your saying about him not being for and no pre-season but I don't think his fitness is the problem. He wasn't fit against the kiwis in the works cup, in fact he was over a stone overweight but run hard, put effort in and was busting tackles.

He looks in decent shape to me but couldn't break out a paper bag. Looks very very easy to stop. I'd actually want him on the field if I was playing against him as he's a accident waiting to happen.

It's easy for opposition because when he takes it up he's alone. Ever at u13s you know to support the ball carrier and wer're not, as a result masoe gets 4/5 piled in every time he touches it, and he looks flat as a result. The few occasions tonight (and previously) he has been able to iht players 1on1 he's made very good yardage.

The more I see of this year, the less I believe individual players are the problem ...

Ok, i get that but so does Amor & walmsley but they ain't stopped in their tracks.

I just feel he lacks aggression.

Walmsley arches his runs a lot more, and spins a lot in the tackle, making it tough to get a lot of bodies in - Amor is a lot faster and better at isolating defenders and space. Masoe, and soliola, have very direct styles, that are getting picked off easily at the moment. If either gets the ball away in the tackle a couple of times to a lomax pushing through in support, the defence will hang back a little, and they'll look 10 times better for it. This is what masoe had in the World Cup - Milford on his shoulder at every chance.

I agree he lacks agression, but again could that not be said for the entire team?

So basically Mose will only be good if used correct (that will never happen each week), so if it comes down to the hard yards in tough games we might as well forget him then.

I've said all along we lack aggression and this is possibly the most soft team I've ever seen in rugby but this is the "smiling assassin", the "wreaking ball", he'd like a "human avalanche", " he's like a wall"!

He's a big name signing, who in his words "hits people before they hit me".

I think we've got another flop on our hands. I pray to god I'm wrong as I so want him to be the player we expected but I've serious doubts.

He looks de coached to me and not used the right way, we don't have any intensity in our game.
The frustrating thing he always gets a flat ball semi static most of the time, when we attack near the line Masoe comes charging in only to be a decoy runner to attract defenders...this isn't working.

Masoe reminds me of Lauaki

I don't think Mose is as good as him.

Honestly, I just don't know what this guy brings.

I think to be fair to Masoe he's been put on a programme designed to get him fit. He's clearly worked hard to shift the excess timber and is doing pretty big minutes now without any real signs of excessive fatigue. Once Saints are happy with his fitness I'm sure he'll go to playing fewer minutes but being told to wind it up and go all out in short bursts.

The fact the attacking structures are such an utter disgrace probably isn't helping him either. The distribution is so, so slow, meaning most of the time the forwards get the ball stood still with five men rapidly descending on them.

I noticed that and agree, he's been out out there at times to gain match fitness and looks like he's put the effort in as he looks in good shape really.

But come on, we played Wigan in a Good Friday derby at a packed out Langtree park and he was poor. No aggression in his running or defence. That's a big big game for us yet still lacked aggression.

Also, Leeds away in the challenge cup is massive! He couldn't break out a paper bag again.

I get your point but these games he should have fire in his belly, he should be full of emotion but he's dead, the is nothing there at all. You don't need to be committed.

Would wane allow for this? 100% no!

He looks overweight still. I get that we've had a few hard fort battles in the last few weeks and impact injurys are hard to avoid. However, as a few on here have alluded too, I have to start to question the fitness teams. I read that Walsh hardly missed a game for Penrith, he pulls a red vee on and you can see he's got afew niggles. Its makes you think about the Perry situation from a different angle but this was pre Brown so I could be wrong. Wheeler we don't need to go into details. Manu at the beginning of the season was terribly unfit which will have contributed to the injury. Does anybody on here watch training sessions?

I get frustrated with Lomax slow PTB's. Has anyone else noticed this?

No, I agree he's got to do better. He's in a lot better shape now and we need to see the improvement in attitude to match as well. I'll give him one or two games to get into the big games. Now he knows who Wigan and Leeds are I fully expect a better desire. Desire is something that is missing as a club and it's not just Mose with some looking in the mirror to do.

Masoe used in the current setup is what were seeing, he posts good metres, tackles when required (but his line speed is poor) and still will manage a few tackle busts.

An on song, correctly used masoe, still would be all those things that have described him previously. You can't expect a luxury player to rip up trees when the whole team can't get the basics right.