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| Quote: Judder Man "These statements are a load of rubbish'"
funny that I was thinking exactly the same about yours.
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OFF SIDE
When offside 1. A player is off side except when he is in his own ingoal
if the ball touches, is touched, held or kicked, by
one of his own team behind him.
Bentham clearly interprets this as a reference to the ball being the relevant marker not the relative postion of the two players.
I cant find any reference to your assertion that players have to be behind the kicker as oppossed to the ball.
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| What gets me is that sky have all this technology that can show if football players off side by using computer generated lines across the pitch. They can show where a 5" leather ball pitches and predict if it would hit the wickets in cricket. Christ, even the BBC can show u if a 4" tennis ball lands on a 2" white line.
Yet we are to believe that there is insufficient technology available to allow video refs to decide on off sides in RL. Give me a break.
It wasn't that decision that cost us the game, but it could have been.
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| Quote: DoubleAone "funny that I was thinking exactly the same about yours.
Excert from Page 36
SECTION 14
OFF SIDE
When offside 1. A player is off side except when he is in his own ingoal
if the ball touches, is touched, held or kicked, by
one of his own team behind him.
Bentham clearly interprets this as a reference to the ball being the relevant marker not the relative postion of the two players.
I cant find any reference to your assertion that players have to be behind the kicker as oppossed to the ball.'"
Whatever rule it was using it was wrong. But lets forget that now.
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| Quote: DoubleAone "funny that I was thinking exactly the same about yours.
Excert from Page 36
SECTION 14
OFF SIDE
When offside 1. A player is off side except when he is in his own ingoal
if the ball touches, is touched, held or kicked, by
one of his own team behind him.
Bentham clearly interprets this as a reference to the ball being the relevant marker not the relative postion of the two players.
I cant find any reference to your assertion that players have to be behind the kicker as oppossed to the ball.'"
Then he and you interpreted it wrong! Read it again it might sink in
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| Quote: The Black Cat "Then he and you interpreted it wrong! Read it again it might sink in
why do I need to read it again it will not become any different. It is clearly open to interpretation and the CORRECT one apperently isnt yours.
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| What saddens me is we have the technology but idiots using it>
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| Quote: The Black Cat "Am I blind or are there just idiots posting on this thread? It was offside end of! Forget whether he looks in front or behind, forget the nonsensical rule that doesn't exist that he was behind the ball as well. You only have to look who was nearest to the ten meter line and see it was McGuire and therefor Smith offside. Ruined a good game for which Saints could still have won!'"
Agree on that point...but surely its where McGuires foot is when kicking the ball that is the important point? On the freeze frame you can just make out the edge of the ball just beyond the Saints defenders leg and drawing a line along that point to Smith I reckon he's level,hence why Bentham gave the try.
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| Quote: The Chief "What gets me is that sky have all this technology that can show if football players off side by using computer generated lines across the pitch.'" Quote: The Chief "No their wasn't, both feet were behind the ball as it was kicked.
'" nicked from the Leeds board just for you! conclusive evidence it was a try
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| Lol, that line isn't even properly parallel to the 10 metre line so that's cr@p for a start off.
Offside should have been the decision & no there was no doubt about it.
If you check other VR decisions for offsides they are decided with regard to where the feet of the kicker & chaser are, not the ball.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Lol, that line isn't even properly parallel to the 10 metre line so that's cr@p for a start off.
Offside should have been the decision & no there was no doubt about it.
If you check other VR decisions for offsides they are decided with regard to where the feet of the kicker & chaser are, not the ball.'"
Smiths feet are behind the ball which is the reason it was given but ATEOD we won get over it!!!!!!
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Lol, that line isn't even properly parallel to the 10 metre line so that's cr@p for a start off.
Offside should have been the decision & no there was no doubt about it.
If you check other VR decisions for offsides they are decided with regard to where the feet of the kicker & chaser are, not the ball.'" you really need to get over it! we all accept the call was a 50/50 and as with most vid ref calls they can and do go either way! To say there should have Been only one out come to the referral is nieve, blinkered and down right ignorant!
You are just not gonna have it that Bentham refed it to the letter of the law. Instead you think you have been robbed.
Most fans dont have a real clue what rules the refs are using as the only feedback we get most of the time is what the idiots on sky or the BBC tell us. Bentham gave the reason for his decision(both the players feet were behind the ball, which they were) and those sky fools just ignored the refs feedback via the director!
Thats why people like you are posting this crap, you dont know the rules! You only think you do. Your ignorance is painful! your own players don't have a problem with it. Why? Because they know the rules.
As you say that red line might not be 100% but it shows you it was increadibly tight! And noway can you rule it out without doubt! It's a stone wall 50/50 it went Leeds way.
dry your eyes mate!
I know it's hard to take!
I know how much the pain hurts!
But it's over!
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| Quote: sgtwilko "you really need to get over it! we all accept the call was a 50/50 and as with most vid ref calls they can and do go either way! To say there should have Been only one out come to the referral is nieve, blinkered and down right ignorant!
You are just not gonna have it that Bentham refed it to the letter of the law. Instead you think you have been robbed.
Most fans dont have a real clue what rules the refs are using as the only feedback we get most of the time is what the idiots on sky or the BBC tell us. Bentham gave the reason for his decision(both the players feet were behind the ball, which they were) and those sky fools just ignored the refs feedback via the director!
Thats why people like you are posting this crap, you dont know the rules! You only think you do. Your ignorance is painful! your own players don't have a problem with it. Why? Because they know the rules.
As you say that red line might not be 100% but it shows you it was increadibly tight! And noway can you rule it out without doubt! It's a stone wall 50/50 it went Leeds way.
dry your eyes mate!
I know it's hard to take!
I know how much the pain hurts!
But it's over!'"
ill tell you what pal..if that had been the other way round and it had been saints who scored the try..you'd have been on here now screaming blue murder..trouble is though if it had been us he would have disallowed it...we all know the little fart leans to leeds.
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| Quote: RIGSBY "ill tell you what pal..if that had been the other way round and it had been saints who scored the try..you'd have been on here now screaming blue murder..trouble is though if it had been us he would have disallowed it...we all know the little fart leans to leeds.'"
You've obviously not watched any leeds games that bentham and ganson have reffed this year.
Don't play the "woah is me" card we deserved to win and lets not forget the penalty against senior for the invisible barge!!
It was a tough call but when the reason was explained and you see the different angles and viewpoints without listening to the saints cheerleading squad in commentry it was a try!
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Lol, that line isn't even properly parallel to the 10 metre line so that's cr@p for a start off.
Offside should have been the decision & no there was no doubt about it.
If you check other VR decisions for offsides they are decided with regard to where the feet of the kicker & chaser are, not the ball.'"
Well clearly there was doubt wasn't there given the amount of time Bentham looked at the try.
Like I said before given the absence of the overhead shot which was obscured there was no other course of action possible other than to award the try. From some view it looked on/from some views it looked off.
Going back to teh Eastmond try that was disallowed, ignoring the tackle by Sinfield but the issue of whether the foot was in touch/not was the same. By some angles it looked in touch and by some it didn't. Had sinfield not made the tackle that try would have had to have been awarded
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| Quote: Adrian Monk "Dont blame the decision. We made our OWN mistakes. Silly offload by Maurie and Shocking defence from Hargreaves cost us the game.
Leeds where the Best team for 45 minutes. They deserved the win. We had them in our pocket at 8 - 0 but silly mistakes cost us.'"
can i throw in the name MELI too .....
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