When Roby and Walmsley came on it was 0 - 0.

You don't put those kind of players on the bench in big derby games.

I know, we had a bit of pressure on Wigan first 15 mins, with Roby and Walmsley on we could exploited it a bit more and come away with some points. Wigan just held firm in the middle as there wasn't much of a threat then sent the ball out wide away from Roby and Walmsley when they came on. Wigan were clever in both defence and attack, Saints were just doing dumb predictable plays mostly from Walsh.

Aye, and both of those players have proved them wrong.

This.

He's incredibly predictable and very slow. He goes nowhere near taking their line on, he runs sideways instead before throwing a pass to a forward who's stood still about 5 yards from the opposition so they have no chance of breaking the line and just get smashed instead. He offers absolutely nothing. His bottle has totally gone.

This plodding, boring, pedestrian pace is down to him. He takes all the sting out of any potential attack we can muster.

I can't stop you guys from wanting to axe YET ANOTHER Saints coach (remember the calls to sack Brown before he triumphed at Old Trafford?). All I'm saying is that if any person deserves to be given every last opportunity to bring success to the club it's Cunningham.

I wouldn't mind so much if we were languishing near the foot of the competition with a vastly inferior squad. But you'd have to be a fool to believe there's anyone in SL we can't beat all things being equal.

As for "appealing to sentiment" ... well, d'uh! A sport without sentiment would be a pretty poor show.

I'm always amazed by the customer-is-always-right brigade continuously moaning about "boring" football. I mean, no one is FORCING them to pay their entrance fees. Or is it that they too are feeling just a bit sentimental ... ?

Well I feel FORCED to sell or send my season ticket back , I,ve supported Saints for a very long time through good and bad coaches, good and bad players but one thing we have never been is BORING. Since KC took over I backed him up last season allowing him some slack to learn the coaching role, this season is going from bad to worse in how we play, ALL the players are performing worse than last season, the attitude or response of the players to pressure is shocking.
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Our coaching team is so defunct of ideas and have lowered standards so much that KC is struggling with realism in his post match quotes, a 20 min performance in a 80 min game is just not acceptable.
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The true reality is that we certainly have become the most BORING team in super league and fans will turn away (sooner than later) if it continues.

I'm not going as far as sending ticket back but I'm taking a break from the saints games. I'm not going widnes or hull at home next week.

I always go Widnes away, but giving it a miss, think its the first time for about 25 years.

I,m thinking of watching the u/19's games more, maybe you can answer the question I,ve just raised in the u/19's topic.

I bought my ticket for Widnes sometime ago, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered.

If there is another miserable performance tomorrow: what is the outcome? Especially against a Widnes with no Kevin Brown

LMS
Turner
Wilkin
Makinson
Dawson
Mcdonnell
Burns
Walsh

Those are the players id love us get shut of. I like Makinson but his all round game just isent strong enough id swap him and my left ball sack for the likes of Justin Carney, solomona, manfredi etc... someone who constantly gets your team on the front foot.

Makinson really needs to improve his kick returns, he offers nothing off his own line & consequently the next ptb is painfully slow. Solomona looks a real athlete, but there's quite a few quality wingers around. Makinson isnt justifying the deal he signed to keep him out of Wigan's clutches last renewal.

You can add Tasi, Peyroux, Richards & Owens to that list. This years recruitment is nothing short of negligence, horrific signings.