I can't remember seeing a prop doing it before, that's why. Nothing to do with anything 'deep down'. Don't be such a t!t.

He also played nowhere near the minutes he played last week. We had a rolling bench in the second half as we only had one interchange and LMS was playing injured (turned his ankle). Thompson, meanwhile, played for 60 minutes so his stats are bound to be better.


LMS had a mare until he went off injured. When he played injured in the second half he had a much better game. You're speaking out of your backside as you weren't there this week or last, haven't seen the games and so know nothing.

For a player of his size Mose is so easy to bring down. Half the time he's going down before even being tackled.

Like I've posted and also told you, I'm basing my opinion on the games I've seen him play and I think he's poor. Your just caught up in the happy go lucky smiling Samoan so give him a easy ride.

Last night Saints used Mose in a completely different way than they did the week before. He was used more as a foil than a ball carrier.
He made himself available far more without ever getting the ball.

Not too sure why we would change his use after such a successful game against Huddersfield - but that was the reason for his completely different stats.
I can only guess that this is Browns attempt to actually make him a more complete player. At the start of his season he was telegraphing each run and there were 3 and upwards defenders prepared for him. If he brings more to his game like dummy runs, backing up breaks etc. then he will be far more effective to the team dynamic than he currently has shown.
Imagine the time when defenders don't know who to target and start leaving him with only 2 or maybe 1 defender in front of him - that is when we will see the best of him. Right now he is too easy a defensive target.

You do know that is the way that forwards are taught how to control their tackle. It would be impossible and mostly counter productive to attempt to break through every tackle. The idea is to get the player to have some control, almost a voluntary tackle, so that they hit the ground how they want to (I think the terminology used is "Knees and elbows") so they are able to get back up faster, play the ball faster, and allow the team to build momentum.
Its a team game not an individual game - play your part and the team looks stronger.

I'm aware of that, and have noticed teams put quicker players in at dummy half to run into the hole they hope he will leave. This was certainly a massive problem in the first few games Masoe played and I commented at the time about it.
I will say of late though that he does seem to be covering back ok, not great, but he isn't in the "old Feka" league for leaving holes.
However that might be a sign of other players covering for Masoe. That then leaves edge defenders more exposed.
Its certainly the case that we tend to struggle out wide, so this could be a symptom of one or more players lack of mobility in midfield.

Is it not possible that, knowing we only had 1 sub, he levelled out his game to make sure he could not disadvantage his team by taking up the bench spot for long periods of time? From the report I was told, he was awesome in the first 15 during his first stint, and akin to his Huddersfield performance, and low key for the rest of the game. Sounds like someone whose been given the task of lasting the game to me...

Instead of having the Mose debate (again) can I ask to those who were at the game - do walkers stats look about right? How long was he on the pitch for??

I would say that was very likely. We only had one sub all second half. Thompson played 60 minutes, most of it with a busted nose, but we had to spell LMS as he was a wreck and we had to do stuff like amble to scrums, Walsh wasted time around kicks, etc, just to give everyone a breather.


I was at the game and Walker wasn't on long although I couldn't say exactly how long he was on. He went off in the first half during his first stint. He was wandering all over the place after his head was hit so he had to go off with the concussion rules. His stats would be about right.

Walker barely played the game. He came on took the knock and then went off again. Cant have been on the pitch for more than 10 minutes.

Masoe did very little in his first stint, played first 15 minutes. He drove the ball in strong, but didn't do it often enough.
When a prop doesn't take the ball in once during a set of six, I think there are issues.

He showed last week and the Leeds game that he is capable of 15-16 hit ups a game. To do only 8 this week was not good enough.
Infact its only one better than his first and third games this season

Fair enough about walker, I was shocked when I saw the stats.

I can only go off the report I was given. But everything about the stats shows survival and attrition - as a club now we have a week off, and everyone will be better for it. As I was told, no one was great this week, but it's not a game to call anyone out from.

And we can go entire sets without a forward touching the ball, let alone masoe not. Welcome to the world of browns tactics (that's my pet peeve!)

Well said! (And your first paragraph was spot on)

That was also my impression. He was always available for possession but never given the ball. I thought he was solid but not spectacular and this may be more to do with lack of subs meaning he had to do longer minutes.

Also can I say that I thought LMS put in a good shift. He was subbed late in the second half just in front of me and he looked absolutely shattered. 5 Minutes later he was back on.