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| Quote McClennan="McClennan"I don't think there's any need for that kind of patronising sexism bro.'"
I'm not entirely sure what you think was sexist about it bar the use of the words "she" and "her"... And as you well know I am simply incapable of patronising anyone...
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| Quote SomersetSaint="SomersetSaint"From what I remember, we got Newlove, Bradford got Loughlin, Nickle and Dwyer plus £250k. And we got the best end of the deal, which just about sums up the difference between Newlove and Loughlin.'"
Bradford got an ageing Loughlin, an ageing dwyer and Sonny nickel who didn't want to go but knew he was coming back in 2 years. Newlove was entering his prime.
It's like comparing Wellens today to Tomkins and ignoring the player Wellens has been.
Loughlin in his prime was as good a 'CENTRE' as Newlove in his prime. Lockers kicked goals and Newy had a devastating sidestep and awareness.
They both played in the same position but offered different things to the team. Ask Ledger and Quirk how good a centre Loughlin was.
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| Hang on a second here, Loughlin may have been a good wingers centre but I'm pretty sure that Newlove sent Sullivan in for many a try whilst here. The difference between him and Loughlin (besides goal kicking) was that often Newlove was good enough to score tries on his own. This is no slight on Loughlin (who did more in a GB shirt that Newlove did really) but Newlove helped us to win the league in 1996 with his try return. The only time I've seen Loughlin play as well as Newlove was during that purple patch he had from the JPS Final v Leeds through to that '88 tour and into the early year's of McClennan's reign, however even then he wasn't as consistently good as Newlove was e.g. Newlove wasted less ball that Loughlin.
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| Quote McClennan="McClennan"Hang on a second here, Loughlin may have been a good wingers centre but I'm pretty sure that Newlove sent Sullivan in for many a try whilst here. The difference between him and Loughlin (besides goal kicking) was that often Newlove was good enough to score tries on his own. This is no slight on Loughlin (who did more in a GB shirt that Newlove did really) but Newlove helped us to win the league in 1996 with his try return. The only time I've seen Loughlin play as well as Newlove was during that purple patch he had from the JPS Final v Leeds through to that '88 tour and into the early year's of McClennan's reign, however even then he wasn't as consistently good as Newlove was e.g. Newlove wasted less ball that Loughlin.'" Was it 4 for Sullivan on Newy's debut against Workington?
What a day. I remember Joynty with his arm round Newy, presenting him to the popular side as Sully was racing away for one of them.
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| Newlove was a brilliant player. He pretty much won that league for us in 96. I don't think Sullivan saw as much of the ball as some might think though as Newlove was good enough to go all the way himself and often opted to do so.
Loughlin was excellent too, however ball in hand he was not in the same league as Newlove IMO. Loughlin was an excellent kicker though so they both contributed greatly in their time.
Gleeson was pretty good too, however none of these players were as good as Lyon. What an incredible player.
Anyway, Meninga's coming back soon, just you watch! 
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| Maybe I'm just an old fogey wearing rose tinted specs when looking at the past then. 
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| Quote DaveTwentyman="DaveTwentyman"Newlove was a brilliant player. He pretty much won that league for us in 96. I don't think Sullivan saw as much of the ball as some might think though as Newlove was good enough to go all the way himself and often opted to do so.
Loughlin was excellent too, however ball in hand he was not in the same league as Newlove IMO. Loughlin was an excellent kicker though so they both contributed greatly in their time.
Gleeson was pretty good too, however none of these players were as good as Lyon. What an incredible player.
=#FF0000Anyway, Meninga's coming back soon, just you watch!
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I wish they could invent human cloning so I could watch this man play rugby again. 
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| Well I did not mean to derail this thread so I'm moving it.
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| Quote The Chair Maker="The Chair Maker"Pretty much agree.
Loughlin like many local St.Helens lads was vastly under appreciated by the Saints fan base.
Infact as a teenager i remember being sucked into the general fan mood that he wasnt that good a pleyer .
Its only when i revisited match videos from the late 1980's and early 1990's when i was older and wiser in understanding RL that i got a full appreciation of his ability and value to the team.
He is one of the few genuine world class centres Britain has produced in the last 30 years.'"
I used to try and be lockers when I was kid.
I bet every winger in the game would love to play outside him.
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| Loughlin was pure class,in a time when the game was part time as well.In his prime he was as good as Newlove,not as fast i will grant you,but was an exellent wingers centre more in the Gidley mold then the Newlove one.
Newlove offered more of a running threat,he could get outside his man and the had pace to get clear.
I think what makes Newlove look superior is the team he came into and the full time enviroment,thats not to say he wasnt world class,just he had more of an advantage over Lockers.
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| Quote brook40="brook40"Loughlin was pure class,in a time when the game was part time as well.In his prime he was as good as Newlove,not as fast i will grant you,but was an exellent wingers centre more in the Gidley mold then the Newlove one.
Newlove offered more of a running threat,he could get outside his man and the had pace to get clear.
I think what makes Newlove look superior is the team he came into and the full time enviroment,thats not to say he wasnt world class,just he had more of an advantage over Lockers.'"

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| I would recommend anyone to try to dig out videos of the 1988 tour matches against Australia.
Loughlin was only 21 years old when he went on that tour and ended up being awarded the player of the series.
That remember is the same age as Tommy Makinson, Lomax, & Foster are now, to put things in perspective.
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