Perhaps if Big Mac has his way with 12 teams, and back Toulouse for the next licence period we could turn it into a Magic Away Day! we will need this to spin out the fixtures for TV

Wow Rugby League 1905 to 1930 would have completely blown your mind - not only an irregular fixture list, but some teams played many more games than others in the same league.

As you say, "Laughing stock".

I thought it was only pies who live in the past ?

Going back to 1905 takes the biscuit pal.

I would have thought you would show more appreciation for Rugby League's fine traditions

The only 'embarrassments' and 'laughing stocks' at this event are the St Helens players, and they are providing no stiffer challenge than Widnes did yesterday.

Speaking of stiff, I'm starting to dislike Phil Clarke even more than I dislike Wigan.

Although im not going to complain about our training game , even though Wigan near enough had the same sort of game it is a correct point. they tried something different and drew the games out of a hat , that was terrible. So now they do the Derby games and our Derby is Widnes its not some conspiracy to get Wire to the top. I think a fair way of doing it would be at the end of this season just have the fixtures for next year as 1st v 2nd 3rd v 4th 5th v 6th etc.. that way there SHOULD be no walkovers

It should really have been Wire/Wigan and Saints/Widnes. More evenly matched sides and would have resulted in better spectacles.

Too right.

That's a bit of a bold statement to make when the foundation of the modern game is pretty much based on innovations from Jonny Foreigner e.g.

Limited tackles
Specialist coaching teams
Fitness techniques and conditioning
Using computers to evaluate player performance
Use of weights to improve fitness standards
Use of video as a coaching device
Players' fitness scientifically tested
Professionalism
Salary cap
Video replay
Sports marketing

I'm sure people can name more and that's without being specific about the innovations Australians have made e.g. organising half backs, 40/20, attacking full back, half backs at hooker, planned moves, defensive tactics.

With the decline of Challenge Cup attendances why not be brave and stage the quarter finals at Ethiad Stadium, 2 matches per day? or both semi finals on one day?

The idea of Magic was good originally, people liked the idea of a weekend away, but who is going to stay in Manchester when most teams are an hour or so away, Saturday the gap between games was far too long meaning supporters did not hang around.

With the RFL currently any small sign of success they will hang on it and I bet the deal has already been drawn up for three years! the weather this year was superb, would a wet weekend in Manchester be as attractive and the story that has been Spun about the success of the sponsored trucks, yes the photographs looked good with so many people waiting for autographs, but the Stobart Fan Club had all been contacted and how many of them went into the stadium? very very few!

It was my first magic weekend and i loved it! Great atmosphere, great fans, (mostly) great games, great weather, It's all good in the hood!

It was my first magic weekend too i went with my son and daughter we all enjoyed the day and loved it all for £15 quid a bargain great fans ,great chatting with other fans and some excellent games but disappointed at saints , the RFL are looking at staging it permanently at the eithad hopefully build on the event so we can get full a house on both days .