Last time it WAS the stadium, yes. But this time it cannot be the stadium because we are no longer in it. It is a deceased stadium. It is no more. Our stadium for this season is Widnes and the RFL can clearly see our new stadium on the website. (And didn't they recently visit it as a possible venue for the World Cup? It looks better than KR already!) I just can't see it being our stadium.

I don't think borrowing counts.

I think if the stadium was not ready for this season, but was ready for next, then it was a B

But maybe Saints will publish the details when they get them off the RFL

Er, do you really think they will?



I'd be very shocked if they did. That would be a sign of them communicating, and Saints are not known for their communication skills - not with fans, anyway.

Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"There you are, www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/ldp ... -27129723/'" So as they say "people in glass houses ..............." Wigan Rugby League Ltd had according to the latest published accounts (2009): 1) lost £540,000 on turnover of £4.58M 2) is insolvent to the tune of £3.3M 3) has a working capital deficit of £4.08M 4) a £2.0M loan due to be paid by October 2010 (is that why there are no 2010 accounts filed?) 5) "going concern" statement in accounts relying on the support of its parent co which is worth exactly £1 Obviously to get an "A" does not need financial success.

Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"There you are, www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/ldp ... -27129723/'" So as they say "people in glass houses ..............." Wigan Rugby League Ltd had according to the latest published accounts (2009): 1) lost £540,000 on turnover of £4.58M 2) is insolvent to the tune of £3.3M 3) has a working capital deficit of £4.08M 4) a £2.0M loan due to be paid by October 2010 (is that why there are no 2010 accounts filed?) 5) "going concern" statement in accounts relying on the support of its parent co which is worth exactly £1 Obviously to get an "A" does not need financial success.

AFAIK provided your new stadium is ready for start of 2012 season then the stadium related parts of bid are judged on the new stadium rather than where your currently playing. average attendance is judged over 2008-2010 seasons. If you dropped below 9k in one of those seasons you could have dropped a point there. surprised you werent an A tbh. Was expecting us (bradford) to drop to a C but looking at criteria only obvious ones we fail on are the 12k under cover (we're alright for covered seats) and attendances over this license period. 2nd one at least should be addressed before 2014 licenses.

Judging from what was posted in the League Express it was your crowd numbers that affected the grade, though I suspect that will change once you move to your own ground.

[iLeague Express: Saints remain a major force in Super League but has fallen below the 9,000 crowd limit this season that would guarantee it an A-grade licence.[/i

Fair enough. It just can't be judged on a stadium that is now just a pile of rubble with some houses growing on it! (The comments of the RFL did relate to Knowsley Road)


The average was 10,000 for the years previous but 9000 for this year (presumably reduced because it isn't a full season). We are bound to have dropped drastically this year, well below 9000. We have only managed two matches with 10,000 fans present! (Wigan and Wire, strangely enough!)

I think the licensing system generally is a mystery but the grading more so. Not least because that dump of a stadium in Leeds has been given an A Grade and why?

Actually 8043 for the season so far so not very below the 9k

You need to find out when accounts have to be filed with Companies House.

HTH.

All of which would mean you couldn't get an A grade. The criteria published earlier is not the full criteria. The RFL will not take into account grounds that haven't materialised yet, and if renting/leasing etc to get an A grade there must be at least 5 year left on any agreement.

oh, a Saints Wigan dick measuring contest. Lovely