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Graham needs to control his temperament if he is going to be a captain. He may lead by example, however we also need a captain that can keep a level head.

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Quote: McClennan "Graham needs to control his temperament if he is going to be a captain. He may lead by example, however we also need a captain that can keep a level head.'"


To be fair to graham it ain't often he loses his cool, i know he did against leeds but can't recall any other times.

IMO he should be made captain, he leads from the front, he's a local lad and is our best player.

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Quote: McClennan "Graham needs to control his temperament if he is going to be a captain. He may lead by example, however we also need a captain that can keep a level head.'"

He doesn't lose his cool, except occasionally against Leeds (and, let's face it, who wouldn't?). He seems to be very motivational on the pitch. It's Wello who gets all het up on a regular basis.

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Quote: SaintsFan "He doesn't lose his cool, except occasionally against Leeds (and, let's face it, who wouldn't?). He seems to be very motivational on the pitch. It's Wello who gets all het up on a regular basis.'"


Agree, Graham motivation or "don,t like to lose" attitude is probably seen as losing his cool. Don,t forget Graham was Great Britain Academy Captain and led by example in beating his Aussie counterparts.
Making him club captain and being a successful one might sway it our way to stay with the club.

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Quote: Judder Man "Agree, Graham motivation or "don,t like to lose" attitude is probably seen as losing his cool. Don,t forget Graham was Great Britain Academy Captain and led by example in beating his Aussie counterparts.
Making him club captain and being a successful one might sway it our way to stay with the club.'"


I agree with that.

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Quote: LovesToSpooge "Poor backrow. Particularly when compared to what Wigan will field next year in Hoffman, J Tomkins and O'Loughlin plus Hock returning later in the year as well.

And if you move Soliola into the backrow it then depletes your threequater line.'"
But, to be fair, that's one of your strengths.
I do think Soliola is going to play back row, which will strengthen it. I also think you may underestimate Paul Clough.

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Quote: LovesToSpooge "

Give the captaincy to Graham. If you want him to stay then give him another reason to.'"


Absolutely

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Quote: Offside Monkey "But, to be fair, that's one of your strengths.
I do think Soliola is going to play back row, which will strengthen it. I also think you may underestimate Paul Clough.'"


I don't underestimate Clough at all, but he is in my eyes a grater and metre maker only. He's not the type of player to play out wide in the centres as Joel will and bust tackles, score tries and create opportunity's.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having grafters in your team everyone needs them. But looking at your backrow options I don't see anyone other than Puletua that will cause any sort of great threat running outwide.

You'll know better than me, but I'd hazard a guess that Soliola will in fact play in the centre's more often than not. Even if it's just because Wheeler is out injured most of the time. icon_wink.gif

Soliola did If I'm not mistaken play for the Roosters in the centres more than in the backrow. Like I say it's tough choice to make, where ever Soliola plays he'll strengthen but likewise where ever he doesn't play will be weakened by his absence.

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Quote: LovesToSpooge "I don't underestimate Clough at all, but he is in my eyes a grater and metre maker only. He's not the type of player to play out wide in the centres as Joel will and bust tackles, score tries and create opportunity's.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having grafters in your team everyone needs them. But looking at your backrow options I don't see anyone other than Puletua that will cause any sort of great threat running outwide.

You'll know better than me, but I'd hazard a guess that Soliola will in fact play in the centre's more often than not. Even if it's just because Wheeler is out injured most of the time. Clough's been one of our best performers this season and is a year younger than JT, so I expect him to improve again next year, but you're right, he's not a runniner like someone like JT or Clint Newton. However, he's seriously tough in both attack and defense, and can help with the fron row's direct work to perhaps allow puletua to roam a little wider.

Alot hinges on Soliola's role, if we use him in the back row, our pack looks very intimidating, if not, we do look a little light in the back row. (Although to his credit, Flannery's been playing very well this year in what ever role we've asked of him). I'm under the impression that Soliola broke through at centre, but gradually found himself moved to the back row.

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Interesting the amount of rumours surrounding Pryce. First going to Bradford and now rlthis Hull KR fanrl seems adament that he is coming - even taking a bet on icon_surprised.gif. Anything in it?

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if we do sign LMS and shenton i would go with

1. wellens
2. gardner
3. shenton
4. flannary
5. meli
6. pryce
7. eastmond
8. perry
9. roby
10. graham
11. clough
12. soliola
13. wilkin

14. moore
15. hagreaves
16. LMS
17. Puletua (when the defense is tiring bring him on to smash through it)

lomax at cover for FB and WG
wheeler as cover for CT and SO
emmitt as cover for PR
ashurst/dixon/magennis as cover for SR and LF

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Quote: LovesToSpooge "I don't underestimate Clough at all, but he is in my eyes a grater and metre maker only. He's not the type of player to play out wide in the centres as Joel will and bust tackles, score tries and create opportunity's.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having grafters in your team everyone needs them. But looking at your backrow options I don't see anyone other than Puletua that will cause any sort of great threat running outwide.

You'll know better than me, but I'd hazard a guess that Soliola will in fact play in the centre's more often than not. Even if it's just because Wheeler is out injured most of the time.
Hate to say it, but i agree with that. Our backrow is full of grafters, nothing wrong with having grafters as they the unsung heroes, but we have to many grafters in backrow and nobody who can make breaks, create opportunitys whick IMO we lack.

I think sloiola will have to be 2nd row, he's not played much rugby for last 18 month and wasn't that fast before that. We need someone like sia in backrow to add some power, beef and put himself about. He played 2nd row for best part of the last 2yrs at roosters.

With perry coming next year and sia in the backrow will add some much needed biff in our pack, we can be a little to nice at times and if LMS comes that will add more aggression.

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Quote: foz11 "I believe from a couple of sources from the Wigan camp Hock will be used as a front rower next year dont know how true it is though.

Soliola will probably be used more as a back rower than a centre, I am quietly confident that if Gary Wheeler stays fit and healthy he could be a very good centre in my opinion.
I cant share your opinion that giving the Captaincy to Jammer will make him stay. If he has had a burning desire to play in the NRL for most of his life he will go reguardless of being Saints Skipper or not imo. If he decided to stay and extended his contract then maybe he could take over from Cunningham but I feel Wellens will get it from 2011.'"


He's got the best potential of all the youngsters if he can sort his knee problems out, poor kid.

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Quote: saint at wire "He's got the best potential of all the youngsters if he can sort his knee problems out, poor kid.'"

He's out with a hamstring problem at present. He's also been out with a gash to the bone problem and a tummy upset problem this season.

Soliola has the knee problems.

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Quote: SaintsFan "He's also been out with a gash to the bone problem and a tummy upset problem this season.
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They're pretty random problems, aren't they. Certainly not things you'd associate with being [iinjury prone[/i, which is a little consolation during his problems.

Next year will be interesting for our youngsters, I reckon. We've got Ashurst, Dixon, Armstrong, Wheeler, Lomax, Emmitt, Dean & Foster who are no longer complete newbies and will be expected to start to show whether they're actually long term Saints quality.

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