Well, it looks like it would have been a very close-run thing in the voting with Peacock and Morley...you don't think Graham's anti-Murrayfield Magic comments went against him by any chance do you ?

Quote Saint Simon="Saint Simon"That is just comical! Jammer has broke the records for mtrs in a season and carries in a season, miles, miles ahead of every other prop, esp. Morley www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 '" More carries equals more metres. Morleys yards per carry is much better.

Quote Saint Simon="Saint Simon"That is just comical! Jammer has broke the records for mtrs in a season and carries in a season, miles, miles ahead of every other prop, esp. Morley www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 '" More carries equals more metres. Morleys yards per carry is much better.

And? Playing prop isn't about metres per carry if you hide and don't make many hit ups.

If Morley and Graham had done the same amount of carries as each other it would be the deciding stat, but all your change of emphasis does is make me question whether Morley works hard enough, given that his team are 10th in SL and absolutely terrible.

*awaits 'We're are the Challenge Cup Winners 2009..' speech*

Whey, another thread on JG. Fantastic. I actually agree with his omission but cant put my finger on it why. Also, i think Peacock has been good in both attack and defence, although i dont think Morley was a cert. to be in there.

Does more carries mean that JG carried Saints forward and the rest of your props were "hiding"?

Somehow I don't think what Graham said or what he did matters a bit in the decision making, unless the press people have suddenly become soft in the head. He made a good point about players playing in very hot weather last season but was still included in the dream team last year. Sean Long is not the best boy in town but he's won the Lance Todd three times, so methinks your suggestion is garbage.

I believe I know why James Graham was left out. It is because the RFL and the media this season have had a very clear agenda to give other clubs a turn. Leeds would be represented in the dream team whether deserving or not because most of the media blokes are based in Yorkshire. But aside from that, it's all about the 'smaller clubs' this season.

Oh how I would love us to win the Grand Final. As unlikely as it sounds - in fact it sounds positively far fetched - it would be a great finger in the eyeball to all and sundry to see us lift that cup and be called Champions on Sky all next season. Just for the rub it in value. *sigh*

There hasn't been a detractor in the press or anywhere else who has spouted as much negative nonsense about Saints this year as you have recently.

Not talking about detractors; talking about agenda, since clearly you are unable to read. You know what the word 'agenda' means, don't you hon? Have a think about it, then just ignore my posts from now on ok? You are a deeply unpleasant person and I will be ignoring you from now on.

IMO jammer is by far the best prop in super league. I think mozza has pushed him pretty close but how as peacock made it before graham?

I'm a big fan of JP but he's not been a patch on jammer this year from the games I've seen him.

IMO jammer, mozza and hodgson are front runners for man of steel.

I was a little shocked that gidley made it. Don't think he's had a pass for last 4 month.

Come back and criticise Warrington when you win something

I thought the same, in attack at least he's been a shadow of the player he's been, though I suspect this has been as much down to the lack of service and improvements in opposition defence against him.

Graham's omission is frankly bemusing.