It seems to me that Matty Dawson has been retained purely as an insurance.The coaches know what he is capable of and can cover across the three quarters and he is durable therefore not often injured.If we get to the stage we are struggling with injuries and down to playing u19's that may not be ready Matty is there to cover.At the end of the day we only have a certain level of cap to play with and the club spends it how they feel best.

Its much easier to put Turner back at centre and coached to improve his defence and make Wilkin into a settled loose forward pivotal role. We've now got Fages to cover half back/hooker positions Turner is an attacking threat out wide something we missed in the last 6 games.

I can see your point, but if Turner's defensive frailties haven't been coached out of him by now I can't see that changing anytime soon. He's just not a great decision maker when it comes to defending on the edges. It's a tricky one, as I'm not convinced Dominique Peyroux is any great shakes in that department either.

I think the problem is if KC wants to play Turner at loose forward were do we play Wilkin, he lost (Wilkin) 5 kilo to allow him to play half back and is not big enough for second row these days and makes our pack too light.

Indeed. It's tricky. Another point is that I think one of the main reasons he brought Turner into the middle was that we desperately needed pace in the pivot positions. Now that we have Fages on board there's less need for that (assuming Fages gets a spot in the halves and not as a rotation 9). I suppose one way around it would be to spell Wilkin and Turner at 13, so that they're not on the pitch at the same time. Then you'd have the added bonus of having a forward on the bench who can cover across the backline and in the halves. But if that's to work Turner will need a serious off season to get him accustomed to regular game time defending in the middle. For me something like the following [icould [/iwork (although 1: I'm not so confident about Peyroux at centre, and 2: there are so many unknowns it's basically a guessing game):

1. Lomax/SMD/Owens
2. Makinson
3. Percival
4. Peyroux
5. Swift
6. Fages
7. Walsh
8. Amor
9. Roby
10. Walmsley
11. Vea
12. Greenwood/LMS
13. Wilkin

14. Burns (to spell at 9)
15. Turner (to spell at 13 and/or cover the backs)
16. Savelio/Thompson/Richards
17. Tasi

Good signing.

Dennis Betts agrees.

You mean that legendary pie-eating coach?

This boy looks awful on the kit reveal pics. He needs to lose at least a stone from that belly. He's a similar shape to Justin Carney currently.

I do. It's the inevitable consequence of people opting out of adulthood.

Man-babies everywhere.

Turner finished at 6 not 13.

Can't see Turner playing 13 with Wilkin in the side. Wasn't Wilkin injured when Turner played 13?

I'd have Turner back at centre. He was our most potent threat out wide, rarely gets injured and was more exposed when makinson was injured.

He can leave gaps in defence but so do other centres.

Look at the England squad to see how thin the game is for top quality centres.

I'm done with saddened after that latest comment. The lad is 21 years old signing for a new club. I can't believe some of the personal attacks on the lad. Disgusting. You have been blocked from my feeds so don't reply.

You're so funny. Personal attacks? This site would resemble braille if you really did that. If I didn't post, the world would probably stop spinning and fall off it's axis. And you'd still think Saints were going to win the League.

It does beg the important question - [iprecisely what part of your "support" for the club are you fulfilling attacking players who haven't even had a chance to prove their worth in a single game?[/i

The idea that you can judge a player's absolute worth purely on the strength of his performances for other clubs doesn't cut any ice with me since I can point to a plethora of individuals who turned their careers about only after they moved clubs.

I remember many serious suggestions that Kevin Ward was "finished" when he left Cas for us. Kevin Iro's form had been sketchy for two or three years before he came. Sean Long was a washed up ex-Wigan reject. I can point to dozens at other clubs.

Oh Dear.

I think people are struggling a little spotting the difference
between the pointed criticism as opposed to some of the
parody/wit.

Saddo is a bit of a Frankie Boyle.

Quite amusing to see some of the outrage and
the sound of toys being launched from prams.