I've drafted a possible 25 man squad, in positions, assuming we will bring in another good prop before our recruitment is done. Interestingly there is no place in the 17 for either Wellens or Wilkin in my squad. Turner plays at Loose as I like what he brings to the position and his big weakness in defensive positioning is negated in that position. One thing is for sure, we've got outstanding depth and options, specifically in the forwards.

1. Jonny Lomax
2. Tommy Makinson
3. Mark Percival
4. Josh Jones
5. Adam Swift

6. Travis Burns
7. Luke Walsh

8. Kyle Amor
9. James Roby
10. Alex Walmsley
11. Atelea Vea
12. LMS
13. Jordan Turner

14. Lance Hohaia
15. Mose Masoe
16. New Prop
17. Luke Thompson

18. Paul Wellens
19. Jon Wilkin
20. Mark Flanagan
21. Joe Greenwood
22. Greg Richards
23. Andre Savelio
24. Matty Dawson
25. Richard Beaumont

No way can Turner play loose. He's not playing loose now, he's actually playing 6. We don't need him anywhere the middle of the field next year with burns and Walsh there and also Wilkin.

Stick Turner back in centre and let him, jones and Percy fight it out.

You're probably right, but I just see something there even if it is only small potential. I'd certainly like to try it and see how it goes but it may not workout in the long term as he may fall flat on his face in that position.

He's actually kicked pretty well to be fair and he's got a massive boot on him.

What does Wilkin bring to the pack that turner doesn't?

He can point very well.

Also he can sneer at the Ref , deputise for LMS as the team penalty machine, laugh at his own knock ons
and overuse the term "Elite Sports" in any and all TV interviews of which there are too many.

I'd say he has a higher workrate and effectiveness in defence

Offers less carrying the ball, similar passing/kicking game

Experience. Mountains of defence. Organisation. Passion. Aggression.


Turner brings a better kicking game and ....er.....and......let me think.....oh, nothing else.

Experience? Laffranchi has that, but doesn't seem to count for much.

Defensive work? Yeah, Wilkin comfortably takes the crown. But then Flanaghan trumps him.

Orgaqnisation? I'd say Turner is doing a pretty decent job at the moment on his own. Wilkin has been doing the makeshift leader thing for longer so probably edges it, but I wouldn't say there's much between them on that front. Either way, they'll be 4th runners for this, behind Burns Walsh and Roby so hardly a big contributing factor.

Passion and aggression? ... It's a long time since I heard those words to describe Wilkin. And Turner, to be fair. Not sure one has significantly more than the other, neither are going to rip up trees on the matter.

As for what Turner brings over Wilkin: speed, backing up, ability to offload and eye for the gap. If Lomax isn't going to be the support runner that Wellens was, mold Turner into it instead. Wilkin couldn't of scored the try that Turner did vs Castleford for example. Imo of course.

I fully expect Wilkin to be our lock next year, rightly or wrongly. But Turner hasn't been as bad as you claim. In fact he's been quite good.

Same argument for Wilkin at hull Kr? Both have looked poor when we get caned.

Because I still think he's better than the incumbant?

Wilkin is a forward and Turner isn't. I'd play any if the kids in the pack before turner. He's basically playing 6 now so surely having burns, Walsh and turner wouldn't work and would leave us a forward down

So its Turner back to centre with Jones challenging for that position as well. My preference is to stay with Turner at centre he's learned a few more adaptive skills and his defence has improved. Jones although good in defence is very limited in attack and suffers from inconsistent decision making.

Turner has had a lot to deal with this season with a battle for individual form and having to play other positional roles, I dont think you can "cherry pick" his performance against Warrington or Catalans or Hull KR as every single player in the team put in shocking performances in these games.

I'm not singling Turner out but the discussion is actually about him