He'll go same wys as crosseyed stu, used too much at an early age, which is a shame. I think he needs to go Aus with Burgess.

Maybe having to play 80 mins so many times this season & carrying the pack is taking its toll & he is just tired - will Potter rest him next week though?

Jammer has been targeted a lot more this year and the absence of an impact prop (Maurie) dosn,t help the situation either. Don,t think it was Jammer who looked tired most of the team were ,around the 65 min mark, this was caused by Buderus getting quick play the balls and running into spaces against an almost non existing defensive line. We needed an extra 2-3 seconds at the tackle, we didn,t achieve it................which gave Leeds momentum, something that Saints use to be good at, week in week out.

I too thought Graham was blowing hard in the second half. Leeds kept running at him to tire him out. He is a great prop and I am not sure why he just doesn`t run at the opposition more instead of passing the ball. Saying that you played well considering you had no halfbacks. Bailey played well for us despite what some might think.

He's probably exhausted. He was absolutely superb last week at Warrington and has once again had a big season for us. I'd personally give him a rest next week, we need him firing for the play offs.

Whereas I think Buderus got quick play the balls in part because we were tired but also because our season-long defensive lapses crept in around that time, probably again due to being tired. Our overall endurance this season has been poor. And without halfbacks to organise things, we were flailing around a bit, especially when KC was off the pitch.

At the end of the day people Graham is not as good as you lot make him out to be, he is good player but you lot rate the kid far too high.

thats the worst effort ive ever seen!

Wasn't just Graham struggling at marker - our marker defence was dreadful all day long, regardless of who was in there.

I've never seen us look so vulnerable at marker, but then Buderus is a class act.

After watching the game again, I couldn't help but notice Jammer's defense all game. From the very early stages he is trotting back, not at all concerned with chasing back. Chasing back is something he normally does for nigh on 80 minutes, reference the chase back on Rob Burrow to force him into the corner in the league game. There were several half breaks early doors that he just has no interest in chasing down, even though he's close enough to get involved.

This leaves me pondering a few things. Was he warned he'd be doing a huge stint so to pace himself and last the whole game? Was he injured? Did he go into the game with a knock? Or was it the kick to the head off Sinfield that had an impact? (Although this was after he first refused to chase back a break). Or is he just fatigued after a season of being flogged due to our lack of props?

I don't watch him as often as you lot but I reckon the lack of props has little bearing. It's the constant effort throughout the season that does for him. He puts in a huge amount of effort in every game regardless of time of year, opposition, significance of game etc until he runs out of steam, usually in time for the GF/internationals. Contrast that with Peacock. His early-mid season form often appears poor, indeed some Leeds fans regularly suggest he should only get one more year, or even that the current season could be his last as a top prop. Remarkably, come the business end of the season he's starting to play like a man possessed. This isn't meant as a criticism of Graham - he's superb - but it does beg the question of the coaches who allow, or even encourage him, to waste his energies in the way that he does.

I noted to my brother at the match after about 5 mins that we were deliberatley running at Graham 2-3 times each set, it was a game plan and it worked.

On a plus side for Saints it shows what respect Leeds have for him but it also shows you rely on him maybe a bit too much.

I thought the shinner was from a clash of heads with Sinfield but this being the Saints board I'm sure we can leave it at an elbow from Bailey or a Kick to the head from Sinfield