The years of poor recruitment decisions are finally starting to bite, the succession of Grand Final finishes papered over a lot of cracks.

At last someone else singing from the same hymn sheet as me and saddened

Its not Brown's fault, no. It's McManus' fault. It is his narrow mindedness that has left us with our season over in April and sat mulling over the worst Saints side in 20 years.

Having said that, Brown is not a Saints coach.

Really think once u get a few players back ie Roby, Manu and lomax ul be a totally different outfit

Pretty much sums it up !
Our GF appearances have flattered to deceive

Bang on IMO

The only thing that you can hold against brown is Gaskell, but if they don't rate him currently...well that's what he's paid to judge.

Howarth in at 6 was bizarre, but he's having to try anything to get us through. We need a half. I said last week that if we are going to stick with Wilkin (which I think is pretty much a guarantee) then the club are writing off this season and it's clear that they lack ambition.

I'm glad McManus dragged us out the poop when he came on board, and I'm over the moon that he delivered a stadium, but if he isn't going to invest in the team then what's the point of him keeping saints? We could have had Koukash!

Even though we have not been at our best for a few seasons now I do think some of our players seem to be struggling under Brown compared to last season. Just putting a balanced team out each week would help and stop making changes when they are not needed.

We struggled under Rush playing a 'safe' team last season too, difference now is that we are struggling with a team where the coach is trying something different.

I'd rather the coach do his job and try things.

IMO we are a lot worse this season with virtually the same team than under our "fill" in coach, now CEO.
In fact he has two signingings in Manu and Turner joining the team which should have improved it.

As stated in many threads his choice of HB's is bizzaire even if it is mainly as a result of injuries.
would any of the aforementioned coaches play Wello and Wilkin as a HB pair - would any SL coach, no matter how desparate?

But is it mainly as a result of injuries though? Brown claimed to have spoken to Wello in the off season about Lomax playing at fullback, so that's one of our halfbacks moved but not as a result of injury. Gaskell was shipped out, again not as a result of injury. Wheeler's absence IS a result of injury but then he is injured so often that nobody in their right mind would depend on his presence. That leaves us with whichever young halves we have in the under 19s, and he's played one for one half of a match. I find it bemusing that he hasn't at least tried to blood one of our young halfbacks since ditching Gaskell.

He tried Charnock tbf and he was pretty anonymous (in the snow admittedly) and Yates has been injured.

Well, it was his debut and in the snow, as you say. Didn't I read somewhere that Swift is a halfback?

Think he first came to the club as a stand off, but with Meli possibly be out for the season he will probably find himself out on the wing.
Brown will rotate Lance, Howarth, Wellens and Charnock at 6, none of them capable of controlling a game.

How depressing that sounds.

Charnock and even Lance I can understand but Wello cant pass and runs like he's dragging a truck in a worlds strongest man comp and Howarth is best suited to bringing on the water. Brown will kill what remains of this season (i.e the chance to blood Charnock and maybe Yates) if he persists with these odd and poor selections