It was clumsy you inbred idiot not dirty , it was a red card but thats it. Your over the top goon biased reaction makes you a troll. Jog on

It's a red card every day of the week. The reaction of the goon idiot though is typical, Wilkin's shoulder in Dobson face was worse for me in that it looked a bit nasty or if you like 'dirty'

Wasn't going to mention that, but as you have... I suspect Wilkin may have a week off next week, if not the week after too.

I think we will be looking at two bans next week: Wilkin and Gardner. Wilkin's was entirely unnecessary and Gardner was an idiot, having already run out of the line and left a gaping hole (as he does). Meli looks like he'll be out anyway with a shoulder problem but he may get a further suspension.

I may not bother watching the second half as it's just too sad to see what we have become.

I admit the team selection has baffled me but you can only play with the cards your dealt and Brown has a sh*t hand at the moment. Terrible recruitment over a number of years means we have started a game with a fullback at hooker, a hooker (substandard one) at standoff and a second row at scrum half .

Come on . He clothes-lined the guy in the face. Malicious or not, it was a dreadful tackle.

HiHo has been exposed defensively time and time again on our left edge. LMS what can I say......average is being kind. Its just error after error around him.

Meli was a red card, no debate. I fear Wilkin and Gardner are facing bans after this game too. The shoulder charge ban is a farce. Ban shoulder charges to the head and give players hefty bans, but big standard shoulder charges are part of the game.

If you are going to make a tackle clearly worthy of a sending off and long ban, you need to be hammering the opposition player enough that he can't continue. Oldest trick in the rugby league handbook.

Dreadul form from Franny.

I'm surprised Hall hasn't got whiplash seeing that replay at half time. Looked horrible, and will probably result in a few games off for Meli.

We've fallen so, so far it's embarrassing.

Before the latest Meli brainfart, it was a disgrace how easily HKR had broken our lines. Let's be honest, HKR are a mid-table side at best

Saints have been allwed to become a very poor side. There are some substandard players in there, coupled with some with big reputations who are playing like puddings (Hohaia not amongst these today - he's been our best player so far). First the woeful Potter, then Simmons, followed by the write-off season under Rush. All this has contributed to our downfall. I was never convinced about Brown, but he's even underwhelming me.

Hohaia has been awful. His defence is lamentable.

Your probably right , I just saw it again and he jumps too which makes it even worse . Gardner's was nowhere near as bad, in fact last year I doubt it would have been a penalty. The RL disciplinary being how it is though (a lottery) who knows

I don't think Meli was looking to kill the player. He just got stepped and flung out an arm.

Whether the injury or ban will be longer is debatable.

All in all, we brought this on ourselves as a team. Get get a penalty from the first kick and stuff it up. Watching that game you would think we do not like the ball. Lance in defense is aweful. I'd say get shut but we have no one left.

The war or whatever has gone on with Gaskell is biting us badly. As we have players playing all over the place.

Unless we can keep the ball we are going to get shot to pieces.

Cant argue it was a crap tackle but I honestly dont think there was any malice in it.

It was a shoulder charge, as was Wilkin's. Both are illegal, both players know this, yet both were idiotic enough to use it. And Gardner had already committed the cardinal sin of coming off the line, so leaving a 10m wide gap for a try to be scored but then that doesn't surprise me either as Gardner has been pants this season.