How many times do I need to tell most of you on here that we are not a good team? I was saying this even when we scraped wins against Wakefield, Cas, Hudds and even when we was winning.

I could see that our pack is soft as *hit, the centres are average at best and we totally and utterly rely on Walsh in attack.

The backrows are to small and woeful with the ball.

Our defence is worse than last year. Anyone who moves the ball wide will kill us. Anyone who plays down the middle will slaughter us.


When most on here was jizzing in their pants how good we are, I wasn't agreeing and get shot down for it.

I hope people can see now, we are not a top 4 team. If we make the top 4 it will be a massive achivement for this current squad.

Nathan has got it sussed. www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/4041

Nathan has got it sussed. www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/4041

And what a game next Friday,,,Giants at Langtree....If Saint lose that one he could be on his bike....

Sounds as though all is not well in the camp, Brown seems to isolating himself from whatever issues are going on within the club in a similar fashion when he was with the Giants.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/221327508 ... 9&_rdr#_=_ Here is Wellen's post match interview. The clue is in what he 'doesn't' say!

https://m.facebook.com/groups/221327508 ... 9&_rdr#_=_ Here is Wellen's post match interview. The clue is in what he 'doesn't' say!

I'm not sure what happened at the Giants but problems involving Kevin Brown were reported. Nathan Brown was fired after all and by all accounts, based on what Nathan Brown has said, he left under a cloud of some kind but they had been on something like a nine game losing streak by the time he was finally sacked.

Haven't felt like this after a game for a while. I can accept defeats and I can accept mistakes, but what I can't accept is a lack of heart, urgency and aggression. People would give their left arm to play for this club. There's a standard that needs to be reached when the players pull on that shirt. I don't care who we are playing. No doubt people will say it's the easy option, but I thought the attitude shown was atrocious at times today. That first-half was a complete and utter embarrassment to the club.

There's making mistakes and there's showing a complete and utter lack of common sense. I've managed to go to every game this season, and yes we may have started the season well but we've completely gone away from what we did well early doors. Haven't seen the game back but I thought our line speed was atrocious again. Our pack just aren't aggressive enough. It's all well and good when you're winning by 50 points on a Sunday afternoon, but when your playing against teams who are prepared to get stuck in, get in your face and show a bit of aggression, you're on a hiding to nothing. Another thing that hit me today, when we did break the line, how many times did we just panic and throw the ball away attempting to force it?

All I know is that today's performance was nowhere near the standard that I believe we should be expecting. We may win on Friday but it's doing it consistently and doing it when it counts that really matters. I'm sick and tired of going to these big games only to leave with the same feeling every time. I don't know if it's Brown or what, but that was a pathetic excuse or a performance in my opinion. Players, coaches, those in the club shop, they all need to take a look a look at themselves and step it up a gear.

I'll leave my thoughts on individuals out because we'll be here all day.

Saints are always going to score points.
24 points is almost enough to win most big games.
But something you may or may not be aware Warrington have ran in almost 200 points in the last 4 games since Bridge returned to halfback. That is virtually more than Wire have scored in all the previous games added together! Warrington could hardly buy a win before this time.

Things can change very quickly as proven with Warrington at magic.
But a big indication of which side would win is to look at the bench.
In round 1 Saints had a far superior bench at magic it was reversed. You have too many injuries.

I,ve said this many times before but Saints don't look conditioned for hard physical games its as though they expect it and go on the back foot until the period eases down, by then we are chasing the game.

We need to find an inspirational leader like Sculthorpe, Cunningham, Graham we would have thought this would have come from Wellens, Wilkin or Roby but these 3 are not in the same ball park.

Why was Sav not on the bench yesterday and has Percival joined Wheelers fan club.

Some on here are calling for Browns head. That would make it 4 Coaches in recent years, the name being offered as a replacement is Powell . Why would he leave Cas to come to a club that sacks Coaches that often.

Would any top Coach up sticks from Australia with his family to come to a club that sacks as often as Saints do?

Just a reminder you are 2nd in the League, just 1 point behind the team that the Pundits are nailing on for a G/Final.

Er yes. So? Had we won yesterday, which we certainly had the personnel to do (in terms of ability I mean), we would have been first. But we didn't. And we have yet another team coming up who have torn us a new one in recent times. So we lose to them and we are no longer second. Is sliding down the league ok then? Because that is what we will do if we don't have the balls to play in the big games.

I thought Warrington would win yesterday (check my prediction on our forum) & I think Saints will beat the Giants on Friday.

The Semis of the play offs will be contested by Leeds, Wigan, Wire & Saints.
From those 4, form, injuries & desire will decide who makes O/T.

www.redvee.net/interviews/Wello.mp3 For those interested another interview with Wellens from the club. Absolutely damning of the players attitude and mentality.

www.redvee.net/interviews/Wello.mp3 For those interested another interview with Wellens from the club. Absolutely damning of the players attitude and mentality.

nice edit.