Don't forget that the guy is only 21 and has had less experience at first team level than Gaskell and probably Wheeler in the halfback role given his injury record! We've not loaned a fully fledged halfback here. He is going to need help and support from our senior players. I would imagine that Brown will be asking the minimum from him and he's going to be under pressure to perform given our league standing and inability to win matches.

I'm feeling sorry for the guy really!

I don't think this point is really relevant as they have loaned a player to Hudds and Hudds are above them in the league so clearly they don't view that as an influential factor.

i think the idea long term, will probably be ratch at 1, gob at 6, and myler at 7, thats how its seemed or at least the impression we were given last year when we signed ratch.

GOB is a pretty good kid, in the opportunities he's had in our first team, he's been pretty impressive, he was a good foil for briers last year, doing the chasing onto kicks and things, but he does need a stint as 'the guy' running a team, its been said he's not as vocal as he could be, so thats part of his development he's working on.

Whats the rest of your team like, in terms of strong characters? anyone that you would expect to ignore a younger, newer voice?

A month gives us time to bring Roby and Lomax back, we know recruitment in the halves has been poor, the signing of Hohaia hasn't worked and probably won't. Have we been hamstrung by finances whilst the stadium was being built? Possibly, we seem to have lost a lot of money in the period at Widnes, it'll be interesting to see what happens going forward now that situation has finished.

To be honest, one of the things we lack is vocal leaders. There's people like Robes & Sia who lead by example, but since Graham left, there's no one barking at the troops.

Wellens, I guess, can be vocal, but he look's more like a bit of a whinger; waving his arms at the ref.

Should fit in well at Saints then. Nobody is vocal.

It says we dont intend on players who arnt ready in the first team. You think many 16 year olds could play at scrum half in the first team for half a season? Scott Moore was the last of that age to get first team Rugby iirc but he was a bit of a freak physically.

That dead horse you constantly flog HAS GONE TO SALFORD FOREVER !!! get over it .

Wello annoys the hell out of me when he does his windmill impression and starts moaning at the ref , it's not being a role model, it's not achieving anything positive and it's not leadership


Scrum halves should always be noisy bossy sods ala Longy,Goulding and Murphy hopefully Walsh will be

Sense is not allowed!

And mentally by all accounts...

I don't know much about o'brien or Walsh, but there are mumblings that saints are trying to get o'brien permanently. Could they make a half back combo? Aren't they both 7s? And both similar in having a kicking game? I guess whatever happens will be infinitely better than our current situation and at least give us cover for rhe inevitable injuries.

Saints with a kicking game, wash your mouth out

Don't worry, our coaches will force then to play with their boots on the wrong feet as a developmebt opportunity. They will soon lose all their ability when try pull on the red vee. Bugger, I'm turning into saddened.

O'brien will be a 6 his kicking is good and he is getting there with his organizing etc but still young and a lot to learn